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| Difference between being loyal supporters of the club and loyal supporters of Agar.
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| Quote ="sanjunien"you could win every game for the next ten seasons but there would still be the hardcore 'AGAR OUT' band...'"
Why would you come on here just to post such a stupid thing ?
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| Having an opinion one way or another does not make any one fan more or less loyal than the next. The club is what any loyalty or allegiance is towards and to coin the good old phrase thare's no i in team. With that in mind there will always be induviduals within a club which receive support/attacks from some and others dont and it is inevitable that in difficult times the opinions get polarised somewhat.
One thing is for sure - when differences in opinions (whichever side you are on) turn nasty and all appreciation that other people have their own views go out of the window, regardless of how strong your own opinion is, then reason has gone out of the window and it certainly doesn't do the club any good at all - now there's loyalty for you.
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| Get the the black and White ribbons out,we've beaten quins in a game we could quite easily have lost.
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| Quote ="pmarrow"Why would you come on here just to post such a stupid thing ?'"
just to attract stupid retorts like yours
there's nothing like a bad winner !
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| Quote ="sanjunien"just to attract stupid retorts like yours
there's nothing like a bad winner !'"
Yeah.
Cya then.
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| Quote ="sanjunien"just to attract stupid retorts like yours
there's nothing like a bad winner !'"
see if your saying that next week when rangi tears a new a hole.ask yourself this on our recruitment this year did we get the players we wanted or did we get the players the other clubs didnt want?.why because our boards ambition is to make money no matter what dross rugby their fallguy (agar)dishess out for us long suffering fans
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| does hull have loyal fans we all booed kearny on winning M O M we all booed tommy lee then said how good he was when he came back we all booed colin best in his first game when he threw a silly pass to precky we all hated calders and said he wasnt interested at the start until he showed otherwise grimaldi at boulevard was claimed to be a waste of money in his first 5 games we were happy at getting rid of craig hall now we think justin might turn him into a good player dowes, radford, long, horne, luaiaki, turner and washbrook have all been slagged off this year loyal fans dont make me laugh
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| Quote ="BIG HOWARD"does hull have loyal fans we all booed kearny on winning M O M we all booed tommy lee then said how good he was when he came back we all booed colin best in his first game when he threw a silly pass to precky we all hated calders and said he wasnt interested at the start until he showed otherwise grimaldi at boulevard was claimed to be a waste of money in his first 5 games we were happy at getting rid of craig hall now we think justin might turn him into a good player dowes, radford, long, horne, luaiaki, turner and washbrook have all been slagged off this year loyal fans dont make me laugh'"
By your definition of a 'loyal fan', there are hardly any in the world.
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| Things like this will drive more supporters away, its not worth the aggro at the end of the day, I have never booed my team or my fellow supporters. FC supporters we all are and we should respect each others views, we do not throw insults and derision at each other. Fans who do that are not loyal fans they are beyond contempt, the fans wanting Rich Agar out are aiming there campaign at the board not other fans.
FC may think they are winning the battle, taking down banners and coming down hard on dissent its almost Gaddafi like. They are slowly draining the life blood out of the club and for what, a coach who already knows the writing is on the wall.
FC won against a team that Warrington tonked 82 - 6 its a start sure, but lets get excited when we have beat Leeds, Saints and Wire away.
Reality check time.............................
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| Very good post Ian.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"Well as predicted things are getting a bit nasty between the fans regarding Agar now. A few fans had Agar Out T-Shirts on and were on the receiving of a bit of abuse they ended up leaving the stand to boos and chants of "loyal supporters". The irony is these same fans had been having a go at the players earlier in the half. I just don't get it. They have the right to voice their opinion regarding and it's an opinion lots of fans share. Just because they choose to show it at again does not make them any less of a fan. Some people need to grow up.'"
I was in the etihad stand, but wondered why they had been kicked out. I assumed that it must have been for aggro, but I said to my mate that they have every right to stand up for what they believe in.
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| Quote ="Ian P"Things like this will drive more supporters away, its not worth the aggro at the end of the day, I have never booed my team or my fellow supporters. FC supporters we all are and we should respect each others views, we do not throw insults and derision at each other. Fans who do that are not loyal fans they are beyond contempt, the fans wanting Rich Agar out are aiming there campaign at the board not other fans.
FC may think they are winning the battle, taking down banners and coming down hard on dissent its almost Gaddafi like. They are slowly draining the life blood out of the club and for what, a coach who already knows the writing is on the wall.
FC won against a team that Warrington tonked 82 - 6 its a start sure, but lets get excited when we have beat Leeds, Saints and Wire away.
Reality check time.............................'"
Ian generally speaking I agree with this and most of what you put, but without sounding like Ja Rule Quins have done 2/3rds of what you ask for this season, Leeds and Sts away. We have gone to their back yard and come away with a very spirited victory at a place we hardly ever win.
Its a small start and I believe a sign that the players are behind the coach. If they are to a man then we can see things grow. A couple of back to back victories and we will see confidence grow. Unfortunately at the moment its very fragile. The crowd is hostile and the players anxious. We were 10 mins away from mass cries of Agar out yesterday but the players responded and so did the fans.
Demonstrations during a game do not help the players. Equally censorship from the club is a massive no no. Those responsible should be ashamed of themselves. That can undo years of great off field work. That is the danger now.
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| Quote ="hullbg"Very good post Ian.'"
Yeah - comparing the actions of the club to those of a murderous dictator is in no way going completely OTT.
Really.
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| Quote ="Ian P"
[uFC may think they are winning the battle, taking down banners and coming down hard on dissent its almost Gaddafi like[/u. They are slowly draining the life blood out of the club and for what, a coach who already knows the writing is on the wall.
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What a ridiculous analogy
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| Quote ="hull smallears"I was in the etihad stand, but wondered why they had been kicked out. I assumed that it must have been for aggro, but I said to my mate that they have every right to stand up for what they believe in.'"
Who took down banner / chucked them out??
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| Quote ="Stanley Unwin"What a ridiculous analogy'"
To quote it as it is yes however, the analogy was meant to mean 'free speach and democracy, which we all have.
I don't personally agree with what they did and all the agro that this causes is pretty ridiculous. One way or the other these events are not going to please everyone, why don't people just get behind the team for once.
As for the Gadaffi scenario, nothing we have to endure is anywhere near what those poor people are going through - it's not even on this planet.
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| Quote ="VerbalKint"Who took down banner / chucked them out??'"
I'd guess the local stewards for public safety if there was actually bother starting because of it. Wouldn't think it's censorship by the club.
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| I think people know what Ian meant with his analogy but as usual it is getting blown out of proportion. Whether people agree with "Agar Out" or "Agar In" each group has the right to let their feelings be known. However if they are being abusive with their protest they should be stopped.
The fact our club are doing everything in their power to remove any visible signs of unrest is creating a divide amongst the supporters and that is not a good thing to be creating. I have been protesting against Agar in my own way for a long time however I always get behind the team come game time. For some reason certain people just assume if you are anti Agar you do not support the team.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"I'd guess the local stewards for public safety if there was actually bother starting because of it. Wouldn't think it's censorship by the club.'"
The big banner was causing no bother at all. It was placed at the back of the stand and causing no harm to anyone. The steward who took it down explained our club had requested it to be taken down. So nothing to do with public safety, more to do with protecting the clubs image in public.
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| Quote ="hullbg"The big banner was causing no bother at all. It was placed at the back of the stand and causing no harm to anyone. The steward who took it down explained our club had requested it to be taken down. So nothing to do with public safety, more to do with protecting the clubs image in public.'"
Ah ok then. If the club have requested it to be taken down and the steward has got that right then that really is pretty poor by Hull FC.
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| Quote ="hullbg"I think people know what Ian meant with his analogy but as usual it is getting blown out of proportion.'"
I think at best it was unhelpful hyperbole and at worst tasteless given what's going on in Libya at the moment.
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| Quote ="Kosh"I think at best it was unhelpful hyperbole and at worst tasteless given what's going on in Libya at the moment.'"
I agree he could have used a better analogy.
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