I was refering to Super League games as Agar was talking about how the start of a campaign does not necessarily point to how it will end.

In 2006 we went WWLLLWL then sacked Kear, we lost Agar's first SL game as caretaker coach then won the next 13 (the first three of which were under Agar).

Wolfie in (not a very good) disguise?

No thanks. Although my primary motivation for attendance these days is so I can say I was one of the few martyrs that stuck with the team [ueven[/u in the latter part of Agar's tenure. I'm hoping I get a badgeicon_lol.gif

I know we're not.
What I'm saying is, that from our current position, that would be better than finishing bottom.
I do not like the position we're in. I do agree that change is needed, but I'm not in a position to do anything about it, other than not to attend matches. I'm not prepared to do that, others are. That is their CHOICE.
I have supported FC for 32 years, I will continue to support them. That doesn't mean I love, or hate Agar. It means I have seen better, and worse times (hard for some to believe) and you know what, we came through them and won the odd trophy on the way.

We have no divine right to win things.
We, as supporters, do have the right to expect better.
It will bet better.

Incorrect Dr.

I have no connections in the club, nor do I know anyone who knows anyone. Just a supporter.

12th would be better than finishing bottom. It doesn't mean it would constitute a good season, though.



It's not about whether we've seen better or worse times. I was there all through the times when we were in the lower division and when we nearly got relegated from SL. But things were different then. We didn't have the stadium, the attendances, the merchandising income, the sponsorship or the salary cap space that we have now. The fact is, there's no good reason we should be in the position we're in. It's solely down to poor management.



Not that load of old cack. You sound like ICEPROEXCREAMMAN.

No one is saying we have a divine right to win things. But we do have a right to expect that a club of our standing, with all of the off-field success our loyalty has provided, should be [irealistic contenders[/i for every trophy available. As things stand, some of us are just looking forward to finishing 8th.



When Agar goes, it might.

Sorry missed the Bradford cup game.

I don't believe I said it would constitute a good season.

The problem is, that those of you who are obviously, and understandably, very angry about the present situation, think that anybody who has different view, is either a sheep, apathetic or ICEPROEXCREAMMAN.

All I'm saying is, it doesn't look like Agar is going anywhere at the moment, so I CHOOSE to continue supporting Hull FC, by going to watch.

Is snerder an anagram of expro?

After reading that the expression "No $hit sherlock" springs to mind.....well i hope he turns round anf buggers off.

yes incorrect as im here under my own name

And after tonights game on sky it is clear that we are not in the same league as these teams - not a chance of competing at the top.

The answer to that is obvious, and proves the point I made in the post above it.

So by turning it around he means ,fast flowing,entertaining rugby that will bring us fans out of our apathy?
Oh,and we might actually win a game?
I feel cynical about the whole situation at the moment t.b.h.
A sad state of affairs when you lose heart with the club you support.

I'm sorry but that isn't all you are doing, supporting the team doesn't have to involve defending the Head Coach's poor performance.

Rich Agar is like global warming. Some people saw the problem ages ago, while most took a lot longer to convince. Now though, the body of evidence has become so overwhelming that the only people left denying it to be true are crackpots and those with a vested interest. The time for having the debate about whether Agar should remain in his job is over, everyone must focus their efforts on forcing him out of the club before the damage becomes completely irreparable.

Good summary that, it took me a while to realise Agar was not the man for us tbh.
Hopefully he will have feck off after tomorrow.

Dream on.

Best place to be as far as our club are concerned right now, dreamland



For the record I think we will lose tomorrow.

I'm not so sure , A defeat tomorrow and there'll be to much pressure on him to stay.

I've given up trying to guess results TBH. Either way he won't be going any time soon.

All the indications from the club suggest otherwise.

The board won't sack him I agree, but if he's got anything about him he'd have the decency to walk if we get beat tomorrow.

You'd think if he had any self respect he'd accept the fact that he's taken the club as far as he can (backwards, as it happens). However, he presumably has a mortgage to pay and a family to support so why would he quit a job with over 18 months left on his contract?

Yer that's the obvious counter-argument, I guess all I can say is why does anyone ever resign? There comes a point when your position becomes so untenable that you have to put self respect and dignity above other factors, especially when you are on record as saying you'll walk if it doesn't work out and you genuinely want what is best for the club.

Money-wise, he's been earning good money for the last three years so I'm sure his family wouldn't be destitute, and he'll always be able to get a coaching job in the national leagues or even another assistant gig in SL.

I think, if you read some of my previous posts, they do show support of Agar, mainly in the guise of, 'You can't blame him for everything'. which you and others tend to. My view is, that not all our ill's will be cured when he goes.

What I have said in more recent posts, is that whilst I recognise it is time for him to go, I don't think that is going to happen any time soon. So to prevent myself blowing a gasket, like some on here, I will have to wait until those who can make that decision, do. Whilst I still get my fix of live RL.

I also accept that your opinion, and some others on here, is based on a far greater knowledge of the game, and the inner workings of FC than mine. I base that on your previous posts and their content, which alludes to your involvement in the game.

That doesn't give you the right to insult people by suggesting, as you have on other threads, that they are ignorant and have no knowledge of the game, just because their view does not conform to yours.

We all want to see FC become a real force in the game (again), we just have different views on how that is best achieved. On a discussion forum, they are all valid.