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| Quote ="Sheldon"We signed Long before the others became available.
Crusaders are also in the position that they don't have to comply with the quota.'"
Why were they not available??
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| Quote ="triggy"i think noble could do alot better then agar, he got crusaders into the playoffs after putting a team together in 6 weeks, agree did nt do to well at wigan, only coach to win 3 grand finals'"
with a salary cap busting squad............anyone could have managed that......ask maurice lindsey(sp)
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| Quote ="hullbg"Why were they not available??'"
Both had contracts with other clubs, while I like Witt I'd be interested to see who comes in for him when his contracts up.
Sammut, for me, is never a scrum half anyway.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"Both had contracts with other clubs, while I like Witt I'd be interested to see who comes in for him when his contracts up.
Sammut, for me, is never a scrum half anyway.'"
Contracts that were up at the end of the season just like Longs. So they were available in that respect. I agree Sammut not a SH but he does bring something to a team that we have been missing for a long time.
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| Not sure about Noble, Bulls were losing money hand over fist when he left, he then bust the cap to keep Wigan up, would like to know why he parted company with Wigan, yes he did well with Crusaders but did he spend more than they could afford at the time? as they went into admin all these things need addressing before i would consider him for FC.
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| No they wasn't because they were both contracted for 2010. Their clubs decided they were surplus to requirements.
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| Quote ="hullbg"Don't misunderstand me and presume i am a big Noble fan because I am not. However it annoys me that people cannot seem to see what he did at Wigan & Crusaders.
One thing you can guarantee with Nobby is that he wont let the players rest on their laurels like they seem able to do at the moment. Remember the game last year when he kicked the bottle etc, you can see his passion etc from incidents like that. We currently need someone to light a fire under our players because it seems clear to me Agar is letting them just go through the motions, and the only time they are fired up is when it suits them.'"
What he said.
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| Noble coming to Hull would be underwhelming.
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| Noble coming to Hull would be awesome plus we could come out to the Thunderbirds Music
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| Much that i would love to see Noble here, it just wont happen.
a - He would cost to much money.
b - He would want total control of team affairs, which he wouldnt get here.
c - He is not a yes man.
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| Quote ="VerbalKint"Much that i would love to see Noble here, it just wont happen.
a - He would cost to much money.
b - He would want total control of team affairs, which he wouldnt get here.
c - He is not a yes man.'"
he would cost to much money how the hell did bradford,wigan and crusaders afford him then
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| not quite sure why some people are trying to pretend that Noble wouldn't be good for us, at least for one or two seasons...
1. He has won plenty of silverware and has the required experience
2. He can make decent and shrewd signings (see Crusaders)
3. He would probably revel in utilising our pack, which is great on paper and could be awesome on the pitch
4. We could give Noble a 1 or 2 year contract which I wouldn't have a problem with
5. At the end of this season we have massive recruitment which IMO Noble could undertake
6. He's a good bloke and would suit the culture of our club far more than Agar
He's the only coach available as far as i'm aware and he's a more realistic target than a "top-class aussie"
Personally i'd give him this season and then perhaps renew for 2012 based on performance and win ratio
To pretend Noble is no better than Agar is deluded
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| Quote ="Sheldon"How did he unearth Sammut?'"
His links to Elliott at Penrith no doubt. If Nobby does take over as our coach let's hope he can go back to Penrith again....just as long as it doesn't result in Worrincy
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| Quote ="monkeyshoes"
To pretend Noble is no better than Agar is deluded'"
I agree completely from a coaching POV. If you look at our squad on paper it is good but we suffer from poor discipline, lack of options, predictable strategy and seemingly insane substitutions. Noble may have his faults but he has proven in the past he can handle these issues better than Agar seems to be able to.
I agreed when Rich Agar said that he wanted to put his team together and I gave him the benefit of the doubt to do this, I also think he did a pretty good job at it too...but the trouble is he doesn't seem to now know what to do with them and we need someone with better management and tactical skills to start getting anywhere near the club's on-paper potential.
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| Quote ="Panther"His links to Elliott at Penrith no doubt. If Nobby does take over as our coach let's hope he can go back to Penrith again....just as long as it doesn't result in Worrincy
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My point is how can you un earth a player who's played 38 nrl games at 22.
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| Quote ="hullbg"Contracts that were up at the end of the season just like Longs. So they were available in that respect. I agree Sammut not a SH but he does bring something to a team that we have been missing for a long time.'"
If we'd signed Witt or Sammut and Long had gone elsewhere there would have been uproar on here.
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| Quote ="arliebird"he would cost to much money how the hell did bradford,wigan and crusaders afford him then
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Because they are clubs who put some importance in investing in a top quality coach, not like us.
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| Quote ="Kosh"If we'd signed Witt or Sammut and Long had gone elsewhere there would have been uproar on here.'"
Dont think so. most people with half a brain new Long was well past his sell buy date.
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| Quote ="VerbalKint"Dont think so. most people with half a brain new Long was well past his sell buy date.'"
I think you're wrong and at the very least we would have had the 'lack of ambition' line trotted out again. Guess we'll never know for sure.
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| Quote ="Kosh"If we'd signed Witt or Sammut and Long had gone elsewhere there would have been uproar on here.'"
what planet are you on...long is at least 2 years past his best, and anyone with half a brain could see that the guy is finished.....hence him playing about 20 games in 2 years
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| Quote ="Sheldon"My point is how can you un earth a player who's played 38 nrl games at 22.'"
By ringing your old boss to ask for a favour.
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| Quote ="berro's best mate"what planet are you on...long is at least 2 years past his best, and anyone with half a brain could see that the guy is finished.....hence him playing about 20 games in 2 years'"
I'm not on about who would have been the better signing, I'm on about perceptions and hindsight. If we'd have signed a relative unknown and Long had gone elsewhere the [iperception[/i would have been that we were aiming too low.
I'm beginning to think that some of our signing may well be influenced by this idea.
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| Quote ="Kosh"I'm not on about who would have been the better signing, I'm on about perceptions and hindsight. If we'd have signed a relative unknown and Long had gone elsewhere the [iperception[/i would have been that we were aiming too low.
I'm beginning to think that some of our signing may well be influenced by this idea.'"
I think there may have been pressure from sponsors as well Kosh
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| Quote ="el_gringo"it seems like a lot of people on here want noble to come in and think hes guna be some sort of saviour but i dont see it happen. He did nowt wi wigan or crusaders and is overated imo.'"
Id rather have Paul Cooke has head coach. He has had experience at East Hull IIRC?
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| Quote ="jehull"Id rather have Paul Cooke has head coach. He has had experience at East Hull IIRC?'"
on that basis Radford will be the new head coach Cooke was his assistant before they had a spat.
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