That is true but if Agar is as clueless as many think then why isnt your conditioner insisting on a re-hab session after the game? Why isnt your nutritionist insisting on the players eating correctly after a game? After all it is their reputations on the line aswell.

Well said

I am not being pedantic, and agree with your point, but I thought Radders was the club captain, have they binned that now ?

Because Agar is the headcoach and ultimately has control...I agree with your points, and I also do not understand why Horney who has been out injured long term is not starting in the U20s



I hope when Agar gets sacked he takes all his team with him and that includes Webster, and the new coach brings in his own people.

I'd also question as to why any of the senior coaching management hasn't questioned the conditioner and nutritionist on these.

They are all good points and hard to disagree with. However, a strong culture in within a club has got to be developed by all of the leadership team and experienced players and then bought into by everybody else. It isnt just the job of the head coach, especially if he isnt comfortable as a strong disciplinarian. For instance i thought thats why Dennis Moore was brought in last season. James Webster is a frightening disciplinarian which is the reason Sean Long doesnt get on with him. Perhaps he should be given more responibility in this area to allow Agar to concentrate on his strengths?

Ha ha Moagate it's got a ring to it

According to one of my Hull supporting pals , Agar's strength is putting the training cones out in a straight line.

There needs to be a response from the players. The fans will then responds to that. I'm not going to boo the players at all but I'll be very disappointed if the effort isn't there

Maybe that would work, but aside from being a decent scout I'm really not sure what 'strengths' Agar has to concentrate on.

ATEOTD we've had 3 years of Agar trying to get the formula right. We've had a 'back to basics' pre-season training one year and modern techniques the next. We've had the write-off season and the 'Season of Promise'. We've had the squad clear-out and we've had the 'continuity' off-season. We've had 3 different assistant coaches and spent three different transfer fees. We've tried 'aiming up', 'raising the bar' and 'having more smarts on the island'. He's had more time than any coach of a club of FC's size could reasonably expect, and not once has he even managed to equal the achievements of his immediate predecessors.

We've tried pretty much everything except replacing the Head Coach, it just makes no sense to allow him even more time to play around with the management structure. Especially when there's an opportunity to replace him with someone who has a proven track record of turning around under-achieving clubs waiting on the sidelines.

Very well said

Agree with pretty much every word

Good summary.

I know i must seem like im agars publicist but how often is it the case that if a team wins then well done to the players but if a team loses then its all down to bad coaching. It wasnt agar dropping balls and giving penalties away in the last 2 games. I dont know what his coaching is like but he seems to be on the ball after what he and his players have said. Saying that im getting tired of underperforming and maybe a new coach is the solution

PR is all well and good, but there comes a point, when you've not won a play-off since 2007, and show few signs of mounting a serious challenge for a 4th consecutive season, that you take what is [usaid[/u with a pinch of salt because it's disconnected from what is actually in evidence [uon the field[/u.

Dont you mean Laura Webster

Sums it up for me.

excellent summary mate

I disagree, I think he's been judged on the last 10 years. Many Hull fans seem to be stuck in 2006, and think we should still be contesting finals, in reality we are not a top class side anymore, we are a side in a building phase. Agar took over the job when the side was a total mess and as far as I can see he has made steady progress whilst he's been charge. Nobody can deny that last year was a leap forward regardless of how we finished and he hasn't been given a chance yet as far as this season goes.

Fitzgibbon isn't thick, he's played for the top coaches in the best teams in the world and knows what makes a good and bad coach, he also doesn't strike me as being a liar so when he says Agar is respected and he believes in his methods I have no reason to doubt him. Let's see how we're doing at Easter and decide then whether or not he can take us any further.

Yes lets wait till our season is almost over to decide what we already know that he isnt upto Super league level

You're entitled to your opinion, personally I havn't written him off yet and think he deserves to at least show us what his full strength team are capable of, again, if 10 games in we are still off the pace then I say time to go.

tbf,i got told this morning,that Longy has been telling friends in St Helens he is leaving hull?he is supposed to have said that tomorrow is his last game

What do you expect Fitz to say? "I'm with the fans, Agar's out of his depth and the sooner he's gone the better". It's typical towing the party line commenting and I've read very little into it.

I also disagree with your rebuilding comments; Agar has had three seasons and the rugby has not improved and the match day experience is the same today as it was when he started - dire, very dire!

Nathan Brown, Tony Smith and Michael Mcguire et al have proven it doesn't take 3 seasons to turn big clubs around.

Wouldnt surprise me. He isnt a very popular character within the camp and he has in particular lost the respect of the young players at Hull due to his aloofness