Who did Agar produce?

Rovers are that good I wish I supported them!

We don't..

So in three years(ish), Agar has had no impact on Tom Briscoe's development, despite him going from the youth teams to an England team regular?

Absolute one-eye.

Houghton was promoted to the senior squad and offered a professional deal by Peter Sharp in February 2007 aswell btw.

I've no doubt Agar has impacted on Briscoe's development but that wasn't the question. BB stated that Agar produced Briscoe which simply isn't true. On signing for Hull Fc under then coach P.Sharpe he was looked at as one of the hottest prospects in the game ALREADY.

Yes me. You seem to be overlooking the fact how far we've fallen. So Agar takes us down the table only finishing above the newly promoted teams then steadly rises so that makes him a good coach after massively underachieving.
Rovers when finishing 4th massively over achieved so how much of that is down to the coaching ability?
Morgan has been linked with vacant jobs previously at Wigan and Saints how many bigger clubs would come calling for Agar? I can safely say none.
When developing youngsters as you've quoted we've had longer in the top flight to attract the better juniors.
I agree with Jake, Morgan is the better coach but I wouldn't necessarily want him at our club.

So the person attributed to 'producing' a player is, under your rules, the person who gave them their first professional contract?

I'd say that producing a player is the same as developing them, or atleast similar, and during Briscoe's time in rugby league (at all levels), the development from youth team to national team is without doubt the biggest step up he's made (which was under Agar).

I would take several players from the Hull squad ahead of several players from ours. The nature of the cap and squad structures would make anything else bizarre. Your stars are clearly better than our fringe squad players and vice versa. A squad has to be judged as a collective though. I'd say ours is currently stronger, but you have cap space to bring in new players and level it up.

Morgan's record at Rovers is impeccable - considering where the club was when he took over, that people are now asking why he hasn't won SL or the CC is a massive accidental compliment. To take two clubs from outside SL to CC semi-finals, win promotion to SL, stay up, recruit half a new squad and turn them into play-off contenders is a decent effort, by any standards. I think Agar is sometimes unfairly maligned, but his record at Hull is... mixed.

Correct

I'm steadfast in my belief that Agar as BB stated didn't produce Briscoe. He undoubtedly aided his development which I'm not denying. When a player comes to a club rated as one of the hottest around who earns credit for that, The club that have signed him after his new found title or the club or people around Briscoe that made him into that hot prospect. It's a no brainer and your arguing for arguing's sake.

Surely you must see he inherited a team of piiss heads who he shipped out?

KR finised 4th because they overachieved







I disagree that Morgan is a better coach, he has nothing whatsoever to prove that, apart from a team full of Aussies!

And your simply agreeing as you've being found to be spouting rubbish. Normally thats atributed to me. :

How many outstanding youngsters development has Morgan contributed to then ?

Currently ONE which is very lame.

Where am I spouting rubbish, just because you believe it to be rubbish does not make it rubbish



I wonder who takes the credit for developing Sam Tomkins...in your opionon not Nobby or Maguire then

Houghton TWO...

Keep your eye on Reece Lyn

Tomkins progress would be creditted to Wigans superb academy not an individual coach. Certainly not Maguire as Tomkins was already on the scene before Maguire. What Maguire did was utilise Tomkins in a way that more suited the team. Thats what coaches are paid to do believe it or not.

So I state ONE which i then admit is very lame. Remind me what question was I'm answering again?

Are you sure...




I wonder who took the decision to move him from h/back to f/back, let me guess the academy



All part of Tomkins development.

Keep up didn't i answer that?

The coaches at Featherstone Lions(?) certainly do deserve some of the credit for producing him as a 'hot prospect'. Agar has taken that promise and turned him into an England regular, and deserves credit for producing the lad too. The step up from youth team to SL, and from SL to national team being huge steps made with Agar as his mentor.

Throughout a players time, there will be afew people who contribute to a players production and development. Parents, youth coaches, SL coach, other players etc, it doesn't have to be all attributed to one person/club.

Like I said before, your so completely one-eyed towards Rovers that it clouds your judgement on almost every topic where Hull FC are concerned. I bet you even hate to read the words, 'Hull FC', makes your blood boil doesn't it mate. HULL FC.

Because I disagreed that Agar should be championed as the producer of Briscoe I'm one eyed towards Rovers? 3 or 4 posts down I declare it lame that Morgan has only brought through one really outstanding youngster since he's being at the club. That aint clouding my judgement I'm just being honest. Hull have produced far more youngsters then Rovers have and that is quite literally a fact.

Get a grip of reality fella.

Who produced a player? Their parents. After that it is how they are developed that matters - signing a contract just proves they can write.

In my opinion, the development of Houghton, T Briscoe and Moa are very obviously down to Agar. Hall's lack of development, therefore, also ought to be attributed to Agar. Lets' see how Morgan does with him to see if he is better at developing talent. We can directly compare how effectively they each develop players as Rovers have signed several ex-FC players specifically for that purpose. Personally, I don't think Morgan's track record is that good in this regard - S Briscoe, Chester, Cooke , Hodgson or Wheeldon don't/didn't appear to be better players under Morgan. Feel free to correct me if you think otherwise.

I replied top your origninal post before you edited it..keep up



To summarise Coaches take no credit for producing youngsters, it is all done at their amaetur clubs...Yes alright