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| Quote ="Tarquin Fuego"Gareth Carvell held out to join 'big club'. Wire are not a bigger club than us and yet they seem destined to give Gareth 2 CC winner's medals in 2 years at Wembley(say no more about wembley wins).
Watching game always makes me feel about being at Wembley and losing there.
Tony Smith has taken a team that were not really up to much as usual and got what ALL FC fans would love - 2 wembley wins.
When we get a world class coach to match everything else about us that is world class then we too may get that monkey off our back.
Playing Leeds next week may be a good thing or a bad thing - still not sure.If we do lose to Leeds we always have Rovers the following Sunday.'"
You've got a world class squad then? Ever won the WCC before?
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| Quote ="hkrovers"www.slstats.org/Overall.html 1, a massive 350 more .2,don't they own there own stadium? 3,and as with all sports spending money and not clever accounting makes big succesful clubs
put some numbers to make it easier for you'"
The hell you on about, talk English.
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| Appartley Carvell gave his medal to Steve Prescott after the game, fair play that.
He took a risk and it has paid off for him, we aren't too far off Warrington, they are more ambitious than us, made a move for the best coach in SL IMO, and spent some money on transfers (which I believe we are trying to do for next season).
Very good player Carvell, would have more caps if it wasn't for injuries he got at Hull, got more luck at Warrington, some player need that.
Just imagine if he was still at Hull instead of Cusack.
Our props would be imense and we would have another quota spot for a halfback.
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| Quote ="hkrovers"Take your black n white specs off they are a bigger club at this moment in time'"
Have to disagree there to be honest mate. IMO Hull are the 3rd biggest in SL (behind Leeds & Wigan - nothing wrong in that). Hull still average at least 2000 more on each home game over the season, + when you weigh up away following, merchandise sales etc I'd bet Hull are still quite a bit ahead of Wire, and always will be I imagine. That's not a dig at Wire, just my honest opinion.
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| Roofs every day you go up in my opinion.
A credit to hkr and east hull.
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| Quote ="Tarquin Fuego"Watching wire fans celebrate Hicks hat trick reminds me of Cardiff 05. It does my head in that we are not winners at Wembley and whilst Rich agar is there I honestly feel we never will. Not an anti Agar thread but just a desire to win the best ever Cup comp at Wembley before I am dead and I have a long way to go yet.
We should have done it in 1983 and that's what makes it worse.
Carvell - good on him
Leeds next week - good or bad thing ?'"
Fortunately we didn't go as far as some wire fans and start scrapping in the stadium! First time I've ever seen violence at a CC Final. Was disgusted, right infront of families and kids.
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| Quote ="Tarquin Fuego"Watching wire fans celebrate Hicks hat trick reminds me of Cardiff 05. It does my head in that we are not winners at Wembley and whilst Rich agar is there I honestly feel we never will. Not an anti Agar thread but just a desire to win the best ever Cup comp at Wembley before I am dead and I have a long way to go yet.
We should have done it in 1983 and that's what makes it worse.
Carvell - good on him
Leeds next week - good or bad thing ?'"
Fortunately we didn't go as far as some wire fans and start scrapping in the stadium! First time I've ever seen violence at a CC Final. Was disgusted, right infront of families and kids.
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| Hello guys,this is a serious question deserving a considered answer,had it not been for a rugby league merger circa 1999 ish and a council built stadium circa 2002 ie dramatic turn around for a run of the mill clubs fortune(which is what my club is btw) hypothetically where would you be,my guess less arrogant and envious of wire
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| Quote ="Dave K."[uAppartley Carvell gave his medal to Steve Prescott after the game, fair play that.
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He took a risk and it has paid off for him, we aren't too far off Warrington, they are more ambitious than us, made a move for the best coach in SL IMO, and spent some money on transfers (which I believe we are trying to do for next season).
Very good player Carvell, would have more caps if it wasn't for injuries he got at Hull, got more luck at Warrington, some player need that.
Just imagine if he was still at Hull instead of Cusack.
Our props would be imense and we would have another quota spot for a halfback.'"
A very generous act, well done to Carvell.
Echo your other comments.
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| Quote ="kitche"Hello guys,this is a serious question deserving a considered answer,had it not been for a rugby league merger circa 1999 ish and a council built stadium circa 2002 ie dramatic turn around for a run of the mill clubs fortune(which is what my club is btw) hypothetically where would you be,my guess less arrogant and envious of wire'"
Who knows where [iboth[/i clubs would be if it wasn't for outside assistance?
I honestly believe things would've worked out for Hull Fc; whether that's in a lower division or not. Your club did it with less fans and history shows that both clubs have 'core' fans that have remained loyal.
There's NO arrogance from me, I appreciate everything the club has achieved whilst still under-achieving.
As for being "envious" aren't we all when it comes to these big occasions?
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| Quote ="Locko's Luck"Who knows where [iboth[/i clubs would be if it wasn't for outside assistance?
I honestly believe things would've worked out for Hull Fc; whether that's in a lower division or not. Your club did it with less fans and history shows that both clubs have 'core' fans that have remained loyal.
There's NO arrogance from me, I appreciate everything the club has achieved whilst still under-achieving.
[As for being "envious" aren't we all when it comes to these big occasions?'"
Have to agree there,obviously every fan wants the best for their club,and when you see the likes of Wigan and Saints play,you can`t but help wish we could witness that style of play every week.
Wire winning two years on the trot,what would we give for that?
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| Quote ="hkrovers"I don't let facts get in the way of my hdm style hatchet job
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Come back when you have some of your facts right despite being really successful it will be while before Warrington have bigger gates than us or as manys season ticket holders or even as successful a merchadising operation which is on target to turn over £1m this season, and regularly making a profit those are the sort of things that define big clubs. Success is a completely different thing! What a poor response, cannot even get your facts right when we can actulaly decypher what you are trying to say.
As for the merger we were lucky the timing of our demise was just right but no one at Caravan Park would surely not have not taken the opportunity if it were offered to them, that smacks a bit of envy to me. As for the Stadium well Rovers are probabaly a run of the mill club as you put it because they have not taken their opportunities and when offered a place at the KC the Cities community Stadium they refused to join the party. Who knows if they had accepted with both clubs playing there the synergies would have dictataed that the Rovers could have been getting at least 12,000 gates on a regular basis.
We have just taken our business opportunities it does not mean we are a successful club in fact far from it but as far as consolidating and growing our business and the 'size' of our club it was a great move.
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| Quote ="Digby"Fortunately we didn't go as far as some wire fans and start scrapping in the stadium! First time I've ever seen violence at a CC Final. Was disgusted, right infront of families and kids.'"
yeah was pretty shocked at that was sat on the half way line opposite the dugouts looked over and it was crazy feel very sorry for the families who were in amongst it, saying that, was it actually wire fans that started it because although it was in the wire end there was a few mixed shirts on that edge.
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| Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"Come back when you have some of your facts right despite being really successful it will be while before Warrington have bigger gates than us or as manys season ticket holders or even as successful a merchadising operation which is on target to turn over £1 this season, and regularly making a profit those are the sort of things that define big clubs. Success is a completely different thing! What a poor response, cannot even get your facts right when we can actulaly decypher what you are trying to say.'"
Warrington=Moran=Warrington
simplez
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| Quote ="Standee"Warrington=Moran=Warrington
simplez'"
Spot on! some clubs, Like the Wire, Quins Huddersfiled and possibly Rovers are totally dependant on Sugar Daddies, because their actual businesses don't stack up! its great when you have them it when they leave or their company's go bust that you have a problem.
But as far as success is concerned you have to admire Warrington because Moran has actually bought players out of their contracts to get the right players in, no one is safe at a club when he comes calling! that shows great enterprise and they deserve their success IMHO.
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| Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"Spot on! some clubs, Like the Wire, Quins Huddersfiled and possibly Rovers are totally dependant on Sugar Daddies, because their actual businesses don't stack up! its great when you have them it when they leave or their company's go bust that you have a problem.
But as far as success is concerned you have to admire Warrington because Moran has actually bought players out of their contracts to get the right players in, no one is safe at a club when he comes calling! that shows great enterprise and they deserve their success IMHO.'"
don't disagree Wilf, but Wire fans should see Blackburn/Gretna as a note of caution!
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| Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"a merchadising operation which is on target to turn over £1 this season,'"
I think (and hope!) you might have missed an 'm' out there.
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| Quote ="Tarquin Fuego"Like when Inter Milan and Porto won the Champions league with a certain manager'"
Thats why we call him "Tony Mourinho"
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| Quote ="Sheldon"Roofs every day you go up in my opinion.
A credit to hkr and east hull.'"
Thanks bud.
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| Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"Spot on! some clubs, Like the Wire, Quins Huddersfiled and possibly Rovers are totally dependant on Sugar Daddies, because their actual businesses don't stack up! its great when you have them it when they leave or their company's go bust that you have a problem.
But as far as success is concerned you have to admire Warrington because Moran has actually bought players out of their contracts to get the right playrs in, no one is safe at a club when he comes calling! that shows great enterprise and they deserve their success IMHO.'" despite me being in norway and this is costing me a bomb on my phone. You.re wrong over moran. If could leave tomorrow and warrington would be fine. We wouldn't be able any big transfer fees but we're self sufficient. That being the main thing before moran became majority share holder
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| Warrington want success, Hull are happy to exist, this was proved by giving Agar a two year deal when we did, Carvell joined the bigger club without a doubt.
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| Quote ="jordanp"Warrington want success, Hull are happy to exist, this was proved by giving Agar a two year deal when we did, Carvell joined the bigger club without a doubt.'"
why anyone would want to slag there own club off amazes me!!..its taken a while for warrington to get where they are.who knows maybe we could be up there with them in a couple of seasons..a little faith goes a long way...
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| Quote ="jordanp"Warrington want success, Hull are happy to exist, this was proved by giving Agar a two year deal when we did, Carvell joined the bigger club without a doubt.'"
Bigger club for Warrington supporters.
Hull will always be a bigger club for me.
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| Quote ="kitche"Hello guys,this is a serious question deserving a considered answer,had it not been for a rugby league merger circa 1999 ish and a council built stadium circa 2002 ie dramatic turn around for a run of the mill clubs fortune(which is what my club is btw) hypothetically where would you be,my guess less arrogant and envious of wire'"
Hello Kitchie, Serious question deserving a considered answer.
Had it not been for Barrie Lilley and Colin Hutton, would the merger have ever taken place?
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