That's how a league works. Currently we are the 4th best team in the league using the only definition that matters - our position, determined by the number of points we have relative to the other teams. You can make up some other more subjective form of measurement if you like, but unless you convince the RFL to adopt it I don't really see the point.

I don't expect us to finish in 4th, particularly with the injury to long, but all this downplaying of our current position is - IMO - both laughable and somewhat pathetic.

Quite. 10 other clubs would happily swap positions with you at the minute and (on the whole) their fans dont moan half as much as you lot!

Come on, you can do much better than that. Very poor indeed

Better go to specsavers then

To be fair, until everyone has played everyone the league positions aren't a true reflection of how strong any one side is

Everyone has played each other.

Some 3 times with magic.

Yes it was a crap performance it was an ugly win ..But in the passed few years those were the games we would loose..I will be at Bradford cheering the lads on ..going on Monday for tickets from the Club Shop 11 thousand plus wasn't a bad gate for Catalan ..A good turn out

OK, twice (or 3 times)

We've played half of the rest of the league twice and played the other half once. I guess it's the same for most other clubs.

To suggest the league table isn't a true reflection of how strong teams are until the season is over is just bollox.

The table usually takes shape after about half a dozen games. Very rarely will a team either collapse and plummet down the table or suddenly go on a long run and shoot up it. Take us, for example, we've been between 4th and 6th since round six back in March.

Halfway through Hull City's first Premier League season they were in a Europa League place, HTH.

It's not going to change massively but I was posting in response to kosh suggesting us being 4th was evidence we are the 4th best team in SL

Comparing Rugby to football? Really?

We're 4th because at this point of the season we're the 4th best team. It really is that simple.

Yup. Such a simple concept and yet seemingly beyond the grasp of some folk.

Sadly some people appear to resent us being 4th...mental but some of the stuff written on this board is unbelievable

some people just aren't happy on here ever, always find negatives in everything!

What other evidence is there of how good a team is, apart from results over an extended period? If you shared your factual evidence to the contrary we could compare its robustness to actual match results after 20 odd rounds of the competition.

I'm surprised that such a simple concept is lost on a woman who seems to enjoy the world of stats, numbers and probablilty so much.

Fact is that some teams will already have played more of the top teams than others, hence will be considered to have an easier run in than others and may be expected to pick up more points in that run in and finish in a higher position than they're in now.

Seems fairly simple to me but I'm not an accountant so am used to dealing in facts, not trying to make them up

Until everyone has played everyone twice though the fact that some teams may have played their "harder" matched already and may have an easier run in will skew league positions at this stage.

Anyway, we'll see who the best teams are come play off time. Recent seasons have certainly proven that the team who finished top of the tree certainly weren't the best team in the comp

You know what Kosh, save your breath, at times trying to justify the team to people on here is a waste of time.

4th in the league and 3 points clear of 5th.

It was a poor game and other than the first 20 mins we were poor with ball in hand. However our defence was superb and won us the game. Cats may be bottom but the team they had out on Friday is good enough for the top 6, they are littered with quality.

Winning ugly is not a bad trait to have.

I take your point to a certain extent, but Leeds still have to play Wigan, Warrington, Huddersfield and Saints, whereas we're done with Saints and Huddersfield. They also have the potential distraction of the cup. We also still have to play each other, in the week after the cup. So on that basis you could say that Leeds have had a softer set of fixtures than us so far and their league position flatters them.

Have you been working with Jimmy Rule?

We have played 5 of the other 6 top 7 teams away from home, our home record is only equalled by Warrington and we're 6th on away games only. These are facts that point to a top 4 team, which is what we are right now.

Like us you mean? There are 6 other teams in the top 7, we've played 5 of them away from home.