Wrong.

I've had some time to calm down after his performance against Quins (which was desperate) and am now hoping he will have a good game tonight.

My feeling is that he is not a revolving door like some poor defenders but that he just shows himself up positionally and particularly by rushing out of the line. If he could have one game where he holds his position defensively then we might be praising him instead of hoping that he leaves.

What he has in attack can't be taught - it is natural talent: I only hope that what he lacks in defensive nous can be taught.

I don't think anyone is saying things are perfect when he doesn't play. But they're usually a hell of a lot worse when he does.

His tackling even when in position is poor though and he has had plenty of time to improve and he just hasn't. Compare him to Briscoe who has improved this season alone in defence, still not the best under the high ball but improving all the time.

If we could see signs of improvement over the last couple of seasons I think most would be happy to see a contract extension, but the fact is he has not means most will not be bothered if he departs.

Really, intersting that this person would need to lie about it then. Makes no sense whatsoever.

So you reckon that Meli would have bagged more tries if Hall had been on the pitch?

Part of the reason Meli scored so many was due to Turner being out of position.

I am still really undecided about Hall, there is no doubt he has natural flair with ball in hand and his defence has improved over the last two years. His biggest problem is the slgihtest thing seems to effect his confidence and his decision making both in defence and attack leaves a lot to be desired. I am starting to doubt that he has the mental toughness as he keeps making the same mistakes over and over.

If the highlights are anything to go by he also scored two from forward passes and one from being offside at the kick.

But that's not the point.

The statement was that things are [ialways[/i worse when Hall plays. Regardless of any other contributory factors.

Maybe he/she misheard



I know the person i was speaking to at the weekend would deffo know the truth

And this is when he needs the mental toughness when the supporters are getting on his back. Does he walk away for a contract elsewhere or does he knuckle down, finally learn those lessons and prove us all wrong so that he can stay at the club that I believe he personally wants to play for?

That's a fair assessment, Paul, and I share pretty much the same concerns. The point I keep making though is that Hall gets flak for absolutely everything that goes wrong on his side of our defence, whether it's his fault or not.

I think it may have gone to far to be rescued TBH. A large section of fans have decided that he's a poor player and always will be, and history shows that those opinions tend to be difficult to change. You've even got normally sensible posters on here making statements about how he's Championship standard and will never be anything better, when he's had our best tries-per-game ratio in two out of the last three seasons despite playing out of position most of the time.

I think a fresh start somewhere else might be best for him.

If we can get him cheap then we should keep him imo.

No one can question he has a lot of talent, and I think his defence has improved. However he still takes too many bad options and makes bad reads. This is somewhat expected of a player of his age, but he has been around the first team long enough now for his decision making to have started to improve, and I don't really think it has.

I tend to agree but my heart wants a different outcome.

And never will under Agar ,Best for both parties if he moved on .

I don't think agar is fully to blame, if at all.

How's Joe Donkin going? Seems to be getting a good write up for the u20's, could he take Halls full time squad place?

There was nothing to mishear, this person should know as much as anyone

These are the same people that blamed Best, Blacklock and Sing. The fact our defence is sucked in so tight leaving the winger exposed seems irrelevant to some. That said Hall makes poor decisions when the line is in good order, shooting out for instance and that's where the criticism is warranted. Also with ball in hand he seems to lack concentration and again makes bad decisions. He often will drop a seemingly good pass quite inexplicably and will often try and throw a pass that is clearly not on. The problem then is his head tends to go down and he seems like he is feeling sorry for himself.

I expected more from him this season but it is just not happening, I would not be upset to see him go. If we sign a centre to play alongside Yeaman and we have Whiting and Turner too then I don't see the point of keeping Hall unless he can find some consistent form.

Just for clarity, like.

Possibly, possibly not. It was a general observation: our defence often looks much weaker when Hall plays. He is a poor defender.

I agree that he destabilises our defence which is why I think that just by his staying in position we will be a much more solid outfit. I think one match with him doing that might give Hall and us all a lot more confidence in his ability.

He'll never be any better because of his defence, which has shown little (if any) improvement since his debut. I don't think it's an insult to a player to say they're championship standard - that's still a higher standard than the vast majority will achieve. I just don't think he'll ever be up to the standards required to defend consistently well in a SL side. If that makes my opinion 'not sensible' in your eyes, then so be it.