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transitional period!!! tell me how many years you have had in superleague without us there when you had the pick of the best youngsters in hull. [uyou should be light years in front of us.'"
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Totally disagree with that....Service area is important because a good few in both scholarships will be dropped next year..16s is the age they really scout, they will also scout at the service area games, they know kids develop with a 4 year variance so little Johnny who was not noticed this season may well be one of the best next season, and kids they have had in scholarship for the last couple of years may not have developed their game any further on.'" 16's is too late to scout players. Hull and Mel Harman in particular need alot of credit for out of town and signing up some of the best players from Yorkshire.
I really dont see the point in Service Area once Foundation sides start playing if anything its typical BARLA not wanting to feel undermined digging in and demanding that it continues.
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| Quote ="tiger2000"One derby win and the power has shifted back west
, come the end of the season and you have beaten us twice and finished above Rovers then fair enough. A nice touch of arrogance about always being number one in the city to finish off, how can you always be number one when you obviously haven't been for the past couple of years?.'"
But still contested 1 of the only 2 finals you can get to....so would say we was more succesful that yr.
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| Quote ="The Hollywood Frasier"[u16's is too late to scout players. [/uHull and Mel Harman in particular need alot of credit for out of town and signing up some of the best players from Yorkshire.
I really dont see the point in Service Area once Foundation sides start playing if anything its typical BARLA not wanting to feel undermined digging in and demanding that it continues.'"
That is the age they do make big changes believe me.
I know of 6 players who have been picked up this season. Both FC & KR are monitoring several players in the 15s (16s nxt season)next season..Players from our club (16s), were signed professional last year for KR, FC & Harlequins after never been through scholarship.
It is never too late to scout players professional clubs do the most serious scouting between the ages of 16-18.
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"icon_eek.gif That is the age they do make big changes believe me.
I know of 6 players who have been picked up this season. Both FC & KR are monitoring several players in the 15s (16s nxt season)next season..Players from our club (16s), were signed professional last year for KR, FC & Harlequins after never been through scholarship.
It is never too late to scout players professional clubs do the most serious scouting between the ages of 16-18.'"
What age did Jamie Peacock get picked up
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| Quote ="The Hollywood Frasier"16's is too late to scout players. Hull and Mel Harman in particular need alot of credit for out of town and signing up some of the best players from Yorkshire.
[uI really dont see the point in Service Area [/uonce Foundation sides start playing if anything its typical BARLA not wanting to feel undermined digging in and demanding that it continues.'"
Good job your not coaching the scholarship sides then, because they believe service area is important for development of potential players. Crooksey thinks it is important and hopes to make some games depending on their fixtures but wants to see the dvd's
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"icon_eek.gif That is the age they do make big changes believe me.
I know of 6 players who have been picked up this season. Both FC & KR are monitoring several players in the 15s (16s nxt season)next season..Players from our club (16s), were signed professional last year for KR, FC & Harlequins after never been through scholarship.
It is never too late to scout players professional clubs do the most serious scouting between the ages of 16-18.'"
I'm not disputing the fact physically players tend to even off in terms of size at 16/17 however i was referring to core skills instead of physical size. If we simply sat around not doing anything untill players hit 16 we would be behind the 8 ball in developing these players core skills. Early identification of a top prosepect is vital.
They may be getting monitored however i dont think playing in Service Area games against players not deemed good enough for a Foundation setup is going to make a blind bit of difference.
More players had to get signed up at 15's and 16's due to SL clubs been allowed to sign up more players otherwise the player pool wouldnt have been deep enough to make the new foundation setup a sucess.
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"What age did Jamie Peacock get picked up
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| Quote ="The Hollywood Frasier"I'm not disputing the fact physically players tend to even off in terms of size at 16/17 however i was referring to core skills instead of physical size. If we simply sat around not doing anything untill players hit 16 we would be behind the 8 ball in developing these players core skills. Early identification of a top prosepect is vital.
They may be getting monitored however i dont think playing in Service Area games against players not deemed good enough for a Foundation setup is going to make a blind bit of difference.
More players had to get signed up at 15's and 16's due to SL clubs been allowed to sign up more players otherwise the player pool wouldnt have been deep enough to make the new foundation setup a sucess.'"
Totally agree, some players will go right through the system and possibly end up playing SL(very few though), however also it is not only about size at 16s, the 4 year variance accounts for players learning the core skills at different rates, if you talk to Crooksey it is not about being good enough at all, they are only allowed so many, just because a kid is in now does not mean they will stay in, the service area games gives academies a chance to watch other kids who they are interested in and how they respond to big games. It really is simple
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"What age did Jamie Peacock get picked up
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| Quote ="The Hollywood Frasier"You mean Jamie Peacock as in the guy who is 32, that Jamie Peacock ?'"
Yep...my point being if clubs took your stance 16 is too late to scout players we would not have had the pleasure of watching such a player of his calibre
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Good job your not coaching the scholarship sides then, because they believe service area is important for development of potential players. Crooksey thinks it is important and hopes to make some games depending on their fixtures but wants to see the dvd's'" I wouldnt want to do it and have turned down the chance to do a Service Area before.
How players perform in Yorkshire Leagues against other sides with their top players in will hold alot more weight as opposed to Service Area games due to the higher class of side they will be playing against.
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Yep...my point being if clubs took your stance 16 is too late to scout players
we would not have had the pleasure of watching such a player of his calibre'" I'm sure the scouting network, scholarship systems, Yorkshire/National camps of excellence and defined pathways players have now is exactly the same as what it will have been when Peacock was coming through the system nearly 20 years ago.
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| Quote ="The Hollywood Frasier"I wouldnt want to do it and have turned down the chance to do a Service Area before.
How players perform in Yorkshire Leagues against other sides with their top players in will hold alot more weight as opposed to Service Area games due to the higher class of side they will be playing against.'"
I said Scholarship side, not service area you have to win a league to coach at scholarship level.
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"I said Scholarship side, not service area you have to win a league to coach at scholarship level.'" Which i have done, so i dont quite see what your getting at in all honesty.
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| Now Now Children!... just remember we are doing this for the juniors
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| Quote ="The Hollywood Frasier"Which i have done, so i dont quite see what your getting at in all honesty.'"
I was referring to the team you coach now...just am totally amazed really you posted 16s is too late to scout, it appears you have very limited knowledge of the process.
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"I was referring to the team you coach now...just am totally amazed really you posted 16s is too late to scout, it appears you have very limited knowledge of the process.'" Sure thats how it works
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| Quote ="tiger2000"One derby win and the power has shifted back west
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The power had never moved in the first place
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transitional period!!! tell me how many years you have had in superleague without us there when you had the pick of the best youngsters in hull. you should be light years in front of us.'"
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