Hall wasn't the worst player at Wigan.

Said the same thing at the game. Subbing him off basically gave the impression he was to blame for the defeat (when does a winger ever get subbed normally?) when in reality our FB was just as culpable for the 2 trys in the corner. It was a nervous debut but all of this out of his depth rubbish is total bollox. He dealt with the physicality ok but our defensive structure out wide is so poor our wingers are constantly exposed.

We don't have another Hall do we?

It was not Lyne's fault but he should never have played, he's not ready.

there are no positives from tonight, a lot of people are very very upset tonight and the only one that isnt is agar...
isnt a coach meant to be passionate??? sounded like sharpe all over again

Who said he was?

Quite. I thought he looked OK for a young débutante in a team who were going backwards for much of the game. Just as many problems on the other side of the field but these get overlooked for some reason.

Briscoe is always left exposed cos IMO is not a winger but Agar knows best, and no Lyne should not have played tonight at the expense of an experienced SL player, if Agar wants to give kids a test then it should be done in friendly games, not when 2 vital league points are at stake. Lyne was not to blame for the debacle tonight and may be a regular in the future but this is now, i hope his confidence doesn't take a battering after being exposed to that, clearly he was out of his depth physically and positionally but not his fault as he is not ready yet for this level.

He made a couple of errors on debut which isn't all that surprising but I don't think it's proof he isn't ready.

Defensively he was awful, he made a mistake almost every time he was called on to defend and missed his wingman everytime, he had the odd lazy arm on the winger but was not stopping him until Whiting or another player made the tackle for him. He did well with ball in hand and made some good runs.

It's not his fault, he is 17 and a great prospect but I said he shoudl not be played in the first team yet and I was right. Hall is a far better defender (which he should be) and that is saying something.

I was trying to say that Hall was made to look bad because of the players not doing their jobs around him, same with Lyne tonight, left exposed.

i thought apart from 2 mistakes he did well.

.17 years old
.playing his first ever SL game (infront of the cameras)
.playing against a winger with freakish strength for his size.who also maybe wanted to prove a point to hull that they should have signed him.

like i said 2 big mistakes but he showed enough to me that he'll be a good player in 1-2 years. hope he doesnt start doubting himself after being thrown in the deep end.

Do they?

I have ready plenty of comments this season about Briscoe's frailities from high kicks and his poor positional play. He made mistakes again tonight but he did very well with ball in hand for us and made some really good yards, hard yards off our own line.

Lets not try and make out that Lyne is some kind of scapegoat cos not one person on here as blamed him for tonight. Also in fairness to Agar, he did need subbing as he looked like he was not struggling with the pressure as the game wore on.

I'm obviously going to have to watch the game again on sky as I really didn't think he was anywhere near as bad as you are saying here.

His winger constantly had the beating on him, for me it was a physical thing. He did look strong with the ball though. Just to say again, not blaming Lyne whatsoever, he did his best and will learn from tonight but I felt sorry for him as he should not have been in that position.

By and large - yes.

Particularly by Agar, who was the main target of my comment.


I was purely referring to Agar scapegoating him, and I disagree about the need to sub him.

maybe everyone on this forum for a fortnight should use your avatar to get a point across

I don't see that as him being out of his depth I see it as a young kid making his pro debut who isn't the finished article. The way people are going on you would think he was left crying his eyes out as the bigger boys kept trampling all over him. I thought he was fine in terms of the physicality of the game but obviously still has a lot to learn.

how to catch a ball would be a good place to start for him!!

He dropped a bomb but then I guess no other winger has ever done that.

IMO it was wrong to play him, he needs to be blooded at some stage but don't think he was ready and it showed at times. I have big hopes for the kid and tonight has not changed that but Agar should have gone with experience and picked Hall.

But if Agar came out publically and commented about Briscoe's shortcomings then he would get slagged off for making Briscoe a scapegoat! We don't know what he says to him in training.

However he is not developing as he should imo and a new coach would benefit him I reckon.

Hall should be playing at centre. As a winger he has generally been poor. What I dont understand is why Tuffour is here? He clearly isn't even first choice wing cover despite the fact we only have one specialist winger in the senior squad.

Main positive tonight for me is that I'm in New York (with free wi-fi

) and missed the game altogether.

It's one to wipe from the Sky + Mrs.

Thought the young lad did not do too bad for his first SL appearance, he showed some signs bagged his first try..he needs to work on his defence, he will have learnt it is a massive step, the mere strength of the hits and pace of the game...He will learn loads from his experience he is still young and will turn out to be a great player in a few years time.