The girl should be done for criminal damage of the bus.

As a tax payer who does not have kids (and nor do I want them) I see a huge problem with me subsidising the fact that your kids cannot behave, it's simply rediculous for parents to keep expecting society to fulfill the parental role.

(please do not take that personally, I am sure you are a great parent, but I am sure you'll understand my point, even if you disagree)

I used to be an officer in Boys Brigade, we closed shop when we realised we were simply another babysitting service, the youth club in the village I grew up in has closed for similar reasons, the only reason the Scouts/Cubs/Explorers has kept going is because a few very tolerant and community spirited people keep turning out each week.

Until people start to take responsibility for the actions (and inactions) of their kids we're going to remain in a bit of a mess, I work with some really, and I mean REALLY, ppor families, if this had been their kids they would have been petrified about getting a bill for the damage, no way would they look to apportion blame on the driver or the bus company. I guess some people have a bit more morality.

The bus may already have been moving before the girls got on the rack and the driver didn't see them do it or was waiting for a safe place to pull over.

I have made no comment about the potential claim in this thread, my points have addressed child behaviour and the health & safety of children.
Unfortunatley we are in a society with parents who do not all share the same values, sadly this creates a circle, these children become parents with the same values, the only way society can attempt to remedy this is to offer alternative view/ideas, socialisation within the community, sports clubs (rugby, netball, football,etc), community centres, scouts & brownies. People may well feel they become a babysitting agency however they are often unaware of the good job they are doing socialising some young people, and offering them alternatives in their own behaviours and responsiblities within society.

I should think they are, I'd be proud of my kids if they went through uni and became a successful lawyer. Lets face it there are worse jobs to do as a lawyer, someone has to represent real scum in criminal cases.

But Hudgell doesn't do that (actually, he'd need to be clever enough to become a barrister, but lets not get into semantics), he's a simple ambulance chaser, he's the Lionel Hutz of Hull.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_HutzYou couldn't make this up![/url

"often depicted as being financially unsound, extremely poor and willing to do anything for cash."

Hudgell is defending a 12 year old who has fallen through a window, now I agree she was at fault for been stood where she was but surely these kids should be supervised at that age,

Defence lawyers all over the world represent rapists and killers and get them off with the charges, I don't think Hudgell can be blamed with anything here, he is just doing his job.

You got this one wrong...

i have them above ambulance chasers in the rankings

I have no time for the 'compensation culture' but i have also seen some of the buses from private contractors (the company in this case being one of them) that do these school runs and they are old, tatty, filthy and by and large are driven by fat scruffy drivers who don't give a hoot for their passengers. No matter who's in the wrong, the girl or the driver, the fact a window fell out is of major concern imo and perhaps cases like this may help bring about better quality and standards of school transport for children.

i don't disagree, nor do I have any doubts that Hudgell isn't doing this "for the sake of the children" and nor is his client.

What we have to ask is, without the excessive and unnecessary "no win no fee" culture, would the family be taking this on if they had to foot the bill?

I hope she doesn't get a penny as she was clearly in the wrong and I'd go as far as banning her from all buses until she learns how to behave on one.

They have an MOT certificate and will have passed any othere VOSA checks, if i owned a bus i wouldnt want the pride of my fleet used on a bloody school run, id use the one the give to the rovers team instead

the stupidity of a 12 year old could cause the closure of a bus firm and the loss of jobs for some people!

hope she gets what she deservers! nothing but embarressment! (though it makes you wonder if her parents are red n whites, cjosing to claim through hudgell

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I would doubt it very much, in this case I completely agree that it seems a bit ridiculous and just someones parents trying to make an easy few quid.

No win No fee on the other hand is a necessary evil as without it most people would have no recourse in the courts as the threat of financial ruin would put anyone off from any kind of lawsuit. It would mean the only people who were protected by the law are the rich who can claim £100,000's because a paper invaded their privacy.

With legal aid having been cut over the years the 'no win no fee' culture allows some people from poorer families to get justice.

Spot on there Standee.

I agree it has its place..low paid workers who are not in trade unions can seek help for employments laws etc..

Hypothetically, if you were leaving the KC after a match and one of the stairs crumbled and gave way making you fall and break a leg which in turn made you need a lengthy time off work would you take the stadium owners to court?

typo

yes as that is negligence

on the other hand if i slipped on a wet patch that someone had spilt from there pint or possibly id even spilt myself (after id had a few too many), then thats different

Indeed, but more often than not it allows frivelous claims that force small companies to settle out of court, or go under.

Yes, because that's criminal negligence, the stairways are provided specifically to allow my egress from the facility, if I was standing on the top of a "dugout" and it collapsed then I'd have no claim, likewise standing on a luggage rack and leaning against a window is stupid, even for a 12 year old.

on second thoughts, if i was at Craven Park and i was walking down the steps of the Golf stand and they crumbled, then id sue the s for every penny possible and id appoint hudgills personally

The real negligence would appear to date 12 years further back than this incident and unless the girl was conceived on one of their back seats it has nothing to do with the bus company.

Aye , her parents conceived her on the same bus when they were on there way to andrew marvell school