Yeah, I reckon we'll beat Celtic home and away.

I applaud your optimism but we looked like losing at home to Celtic for 70 minutes. Chuck Noble into the mix and we've got our work cut out.

Better than being a brass.




On topic, all I ask is 100% effort.

That will do for me too!! and my lad!!

Play offs for me is the no brainer achievement for me, shouldn't be looking for anything less at this moment.
As mentioned earlier in the thread the halves may be a problem if we pick up any injuries and that is my major concern for next year, think we have the pace out wide to trouble teams if we can dominate teams in the forwards and imo our pack looks stronger then this years and with that i hope we don't see the fair play award in our cabinet next year as i think thats why we have being struggling as we don't have any nasty buggers who will stand up to be counted and from what i've seen from lauaki this season and o'meley in his nrl career they won't be taking a backward step.

Realistically I would settle for the Challenge cup,finish top of the league, win the grand final,the Floodlit nines,Clive Sullivan trophy and the Hardaker cup.
Anything else is a bonus


By the way does anyone know how to remove Dencorub,it sure is giving my head a torrid time

anything less than 6th and i will be disappionted-if we can stay relatively injury free the team we have for next year should be well capable of that-a couple more good signings and we should be right up there,i just worry about the coach(thats not a dig cos i really really hope the guy proves most of wrong!) but im pretty optimistic!

I expect us to put in 100% effort every game, and have something resembling a clue. And leadership on the pitch. I also want to see us play a more entertaining brand of football and score more tries.

As for league position - think I'll wait until all clubs have completed their recruitment before attempting any kind of guess in that regard.

After 4 seasons of meeting or exceeding expectations, even if we had a rotten year, I'm sure Morgan would be safe. The year after would be when the pressure would come, if things went badly again.

I think the wonderful thing about SL now is that any can go into a new season with optimism. Leeds are very good. Saints are too, although they are coming back to the pack a little. Wigan I think could re-emerge as a real force in the next few years. After that its pretty even - look what Hudds did this year after a poor 2008.

I notice that Rovers don't make a couple of predicted 8s. And we might not - but don't let our performances skew your assessment of your own team - either way.

I believe it will be a ridiculously close season. Leeds top then saints, huddersfield, hkr, wigan, cas, wakey, wire, catalans and us taking up the next positions in any order. I know its not complete but harlequins, bradfords, salfords and celtic's recruitment doesn't look good. I'd like to see enthusiasm from the younger players, leadership from the older ones and a game plan from the coach. Our backline looks exciting plenty of pace and our pack looks like it can dominate a few sides so the signs are all there. If Tansey, Horne, Long, Berrigan and Washbrook play most games I cant see why we couldn't get top 6.

With a decent injury run top 6 but have concerns at our strength in the halves. Should be good watching our pack.

What many FC supporters have to consider many more then any other year, well since 2000. Is the team will be a high percentage of new players, they will take time to gel even under a good coach. There will be more then one or two bad matches before they find a working relationship togther, indeed they might not find it until late in the season.

You can get the best players in the world in every position and it does not mean they will be a world dominating force for some time. Warrington thought they had the right formula, they needed a coach who knew what to do with them and then look at what they are and what they could become next year.

There is the opportunity to be challenging next year, no doubt on that but we all thought we should have been in the mix this year with the squad we should have had. Perhaps we should wait and see what happens next season, but if Agar is found wanting and have yet another bad year. Then heads further up the food chain have to roll this time, its no good blaming the coach some of us know where the problem lies and this would be the time they jumped ship.

5 -8 is quite a hope, not a target

Would settle for anything above 8th TBH given the last 2 years

But our team on paper and size of the club we should be aiming for Top 4

Have to agree, but I dont think Agar is the coach for us to challenge the top 4.

I would give him 4 games at the start of the season, I am not talking about winiing or losing, I would also look at performances and style of rugby. Then if it isnt working make the chance quick before it's too late.

4 Games? That sounds fair. Do we count pre season as well? They'll be loads of good coaches available at that time. Its not like our new players in key positions will need to get used to each other.

Well we definatley should...

i dont have any. So long as the team puts in 100% effort and play some good rugby Im happy.

Been involved in the play offs and seeing the team enter the field with the right mentality and commitment levels on a regular basis is the minimum for me.

That been said, whilst making the play off’s would be an improvement on the past two seasons, just scraping in by finishing 7th or 8th would slightly disappoint me. We should be aiming to bounce back with a vengeance next year, and apart from Leeds I don’t really see any other dominant force. Even though the Giants finished 3rd, they are still a team I regard as one we should be beating twice a season. I don’t mean to disrespect them, but it’s not like it was few years ago when Leeds, Saints, Bradford and Wigan seemed unbeatable to all other teams. If we apply ourselves in the right manner next year, then we should be more than a match for most teams and be capable of finishing 3rd or 4th imo.

Obviously things need to improve dramatically off the field for these improvements to become reality on it. With the signings we have made, the players we have released and issues within the coaching team seemingly resolved, my glass is starting to fill up again. It’s not quite full yet, but I think Agar has made some positive decisions and seems to be making the right noises since the season finished, and this fills me with renewed optimism for the new season.

This "needing time to gel" is a load of rubbish, the players coming in are well paid professionals, it always amazes me how sports fans are expected to tolerate something that no other customer would be expected to.

Nothing short of hard work, professionalism and determination will do for me next season, I'm sick and tired of make do and mend rugby league.

Top 8, I think we will have a much stronger pack but we will still struggle in the final third in my opinion, we have strike players in the backs but im still not sure if we have the pivots capable of using them properly there is unbelievable pressure on Long similar to Dykes a couple of years ago, add that to Agars negative approach in general I still think people will be disappointed.

Totally agree, training sessions should be more than adequate for players to gel and recognise how best to utilise their individual skills

I agree to a certain extent.

This year the aussies are arriving early November which unlike previous years gives them 3 months to get to know their team mates, drills etc. I think that should make a difference.

I expect wolfie to have been adopted by Agar

Of course pre season doesnt count, we usually look quite good in pre season.

I personally think he has had plenty of time to make some kind of impact already and hasnt.

If we leave it too late like this season then it will be too late to recover the season.

4 games is enough IMO.

I would however expect the board to keep him until the end of the season no matter what happens to save a bit of money.

I really hope Agar proves me wrong though.

so if you employed a team of people you'd expect them to be as effective on their first day as they would be in 5 years time?

any groups of people need time to get to know how to get the best out of each other.