Horne played better tonight IMO

but really we need to go with Berrigan at no7, with Lee and Houghton rotating at hooker....people have suggested this for weeks and yet it still hasn't happened.

Doesn't negate a good defensive stint but it is killing us in attack. Salford scored their first try directly off 3 quick ptbs in a row.

Agar was right we were miles too deep all the dummy runners had long since lost their effectiveness by the time Tony had got the wrap around 20 yards behind the play.

TBH he was embarrassing tonight, particularly during the after match phone-in. His utter desperation to paint the game as a major improvement and big turning point bordered on the pathetic as caller after caller shot him down.

Just as bad as those that always look for the worst, only on live radio.

Rich Horne did well for the try but nothing else. Still much better than Thorman who should not qualify for a Hull shirt.

It is quite clear that there is no gameplan whatsoever. It was 80 minutes of boring rubbish, again. Problem is it's going to be the same for the remainder of the season, until Agar is given the chop there will be no change to the inept, tactically devoid pants that is served up as entertainment.

Yeah, I did. I'm just more convinced by that stat to follow Jake's thinking. The negatives by far outweigh the slight positive of making a few yards against a fellow cack side.

I don't know how he keeps managing it, but he keeps sounding more and more of an idiot. He's got a worse case of foot-in-mouth syndrome than James from The Apprentice!

Positive ....

We're a game closer to the end of the season. Now that far outweighs anything.

There were long periods of poor play again however it was individual errors which cost us a greater winning margin. Graeme Horne should have given Raynor a walk in and Broughton's shambolic defensive positioning gifted them a try. 2 players not good enough for a team with top 4 aspirations. Top players don't make those errors.

fair enough, but my point is that if we'd of had someone who knew what they was doing when we got there it would of been 44-12 instead of 14-12. No one would then be saying it was garbage.

yes if we'd had proper tactics set out from a proper coach, and players with some creative ideas we'd have walked it

but it wasn't 44-12, it was 14-12 and it was garbage

I wouldn't be over confident on winning that game either TBH. I took my Wife and kids to see them play Wigan last week ,(my eldest likes the Pie eaters for some strange reason), and the Crusaders played pretty well, and Wigan were nowhere near as bad as we have been for most games this season.

Graeme horne was one of our (if not the) best player tonight

In your opinion. Thought Tickle Radford and Yeaman had a better case. Horne looked Gidley-esque for the first try that he created but it was a terrible error not to put his winger in. Errors like that are very costly.

But the fact that we didnt put 40 on them isnt down to tactics it's down to individuals creating something out of good positions. We don't have that creativity within our players. Something agar has adressed in signing sean long. Yes you can say that thorman was a mistake but how many other half backs were available for this season? NONE! People (including me) wanted rid of dykes because of his proneness to injury, if we'd of kept him there would of been more criticism!
Also we had crocker lined up and luauki so we probably got the best we could within the cap! People will also say that recruitment has been poor for 3 years or so, I agree, but you cant blame agar for that either!

He was also caught in possession twice on the last tackle ,.But hey , What he doing with the ball on the last.

Not the fact that I forked out for a season ticket I will not get full use of.

And if my ar$e didn't have a hole I'd explode.

The precise reason people are saying it is garbage is because it is becoming increasingly apparent that there is nobody at the club who knows what they are doing.

absolutely spot on...we are a complete mess..if fans think thats a good win then we really are clueless....wot anoys me is the people who want us to get behind the team etc etc etc...were not real fans etc etc etc....i can tell you this that ive been a fan for many a bad year but with the money weve spent this is a really bad team no doubt about it.... a poor club with poor players....FACT...
people may not like it but we are a club in decline and our near neighbours are on the up... i really feel that i dont want to go to the kc to watch that crap, i feel as though im obliged to go because ive seen worse in the years previous and that im a season ticket holder.... if i didnt have one i woukdnt be going simple as........

As I've posted on our board, never mind who we had out or Hull had out it was two really s1tty teams out there today!!

G.Horne created a try for Raynor like no other player in our squad could tonight. To have a go at him is typical of how ridiculous our fan base has become.

i suppose this win for you will keep agar in for a while longer yet..which i know dissapoints the majority of you on here.

Deluded.

To be fair though G.Horne should have passed to Raynor and it would have been 18.6 and game over, but he still had a good game. Raynor,Tony and Yeaman was outstanding taking the ball in tonight and Tickle put some tremendous tackles in. But it was still a grind and Thorman was terrible again.

I cant believe what I have just read. You do nowt but slag the club off then come on here having a go at me and claiming our fan base is ridiculous. If you read it again the Gidley-esque bit is a compliment to the way he created a try for Raynor. That doesn't alter the fact he made a glaring mistake in not passing to him again which Gidley would have done. Horne had a decent game but top centres don't make those errors and it's why we need a top centre.