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| Quote ="worksopwildcat"You did great getting rid of Kear - the only coach to bring silverware to your club in the last 10 years- oh and off loading Danny Brough too - another genius move! How big is the hole you have shot in your foot? -'"
kear is an average coach who can motivate a team of underdogs to the odd excellent performance.
I know he saved you from certain relegation in his first year with you but:
how many times have you finished in the play offs with him as coach
how many games had you won in the last 6 with him as coach
how is the player's discipline off the field?
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| Quote ="easthullwesty"Our league form was fairly awful under kear. Very inconsistent. Id say that brough has improved ten fold since his time with us and I think I was being a little harsh. Im just upset, didnt mean to offend.
I think hulls problem is from the top down. The players clearly dont want to play for agar, and if I was being sent out without a game plan consisting of 5 drives and a kick, neither would I. The annoying thing is that in the second half we created the opportunities to get ourselves back into the game simply by passing past the first reciever. Its not rocket science. As it is we simply either drop players off back into the ruck area where the markers are waiting, or the first reciever simply chooses to run back at them of his own accord. When we move the ball we dont look a bad side.
I know we have injuries and the Crocker and Lauaki situation hasnt helped us, but the simple fact is that motivation is the minimum you should expect from a coach and we seem to lack any urgency what so ever. What should have been a team to kick on in 2006 has been simply decimated because of the lack of appointment of a world class coach, or at least one with a clue of what he is doing.
I've seen Hull go through some absolutely horrendous times, and as a supporter who holds the club close to my heart, Ive felt very very low on occasions, but this is the worst I have ever felt as a supporter of this. Three years ago we were so so close to being consistent contenders, doing doubles over Leeds and bradford and winning in classic encounters at Knowsley Road. We had cracked the big 4 and made it a big five and all this with a squad of mainly home grown youngsters. We found ways to win games that we simply shouldnt have won. That is only 3 years ago. What the hell has happened.
Its not that weve lost tonight that hurts, its the fact that the players (or at least some of them) just didnt seem bothered. This is my club, if you dont want to represent them then f**k off, there are young kids in the acadamy who would kill their own mothers to walk out at the KC.
All the hard work to get into a position to challenge has been thrown away and it will be years before we ever get anywhere near again.'"
Fantastic post.Well said
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| Quote ="easthullwesty"Our league form was fairly awful under kear. Very inconsistent. Id say that brough has improved ten fold since his time with us and I think I was being a little harsh. Im just upset, didnt mean to offend.
I think hulls problem is from the top down. The players clearly dont want to play for agar, and if I was being sent out without a game plan consisting of 5 drives and a kick, neither would I. The annoying thing is that in the second half we created the opportunities to get ourselves back into the game simply by passing past the first reciever. Its not rocket science. As it is we simply either drop players off back into the ruck area where the markers are waiting, or the first reciever simply chooses to run back at them of his own accord. When we move the ball we dont look a bad side.
I know we have injuries and the Crocker and Lauaki situation hasnt helped us, but the simple fact is that motivation is the minimum you should expect from a coach and we seem to lack any urgency what so ever. What should have been a team to kick on in 2006 has been simply decimated because of the lack of appointment of a world class coach, or at least one with a clue of what he is doing.
I've seen Hull go through some absolutely horrendous times, and as a supporter who holds the club close to my heart, Ive felt very very low on occasions, but this is the worst I have ever felt as a supporter of this. Three years ago we were so so close to being consistent contenders, doing doubles over Leeds and bradford and winning in classic encounters at Knowsley Road. We had cracked the big 4 and made it a big five and all this with a squad of mainly home grown youngsters. We found ways to win games that we simply shouldnt have won. That is only 3 years ago. What the hell has happened.
Its not that weve lost tonight that hurts, its the fact that the players (or at least some of them) just didnt seem bothered. This is my club, if you dont want to represent them then f**k off, there are young kids in the acadamy who would kill their own mothers to walk out at the KC.
All the hard work to get into a position to challenge has been thrown away and it will be years before we ever get anywhere near again.'"
The current situation is pretty much the same as when Brian Smith left. We put Noel Cleal in charge, no doubt on the cheap. He took us from so far backwards in a short space of time it was untrue, the damage wrecked the club for years. This is why Agar must go now, the longer he stays the longer it's going to take to repair the damage.
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| Time for the board to act, and act now
It's clearly obvious that Agar is out of his depth, the club is a sham
The team and players haven't improved 1 bit under his stewardship in over a season
He has so many faults as a coach i just don't understand how he is still in the job
10 defeats in 12 says it all tbh, and it could so easily have been 12 from 12 with 2 lucky wins against salford and castleford
We have no structure, no plan B,no defensive line speed,ptb too slow,players played out of postions,no aggression,no set moves etc
His man management his poor Craig Hall prime example the kid hung out to dry instead of working with him to get his confidence back he has just turned his back on the kid which is totally out of order
Im sick of hearing all the injury talk it doesn't wash with me, start of the season we heard everything has been looked at and no stone unturned in preparation for forthcoming season well he must be looking at different squad to me
Our fitness is poor maybe this has something to do with the injurys we keep getting
We need to get a new coach who can bring his players in ready for the 2010 season we cannot have another season like this if agar stays and we start next season like this that will be another season written off
2010 is now a massive season for the club and we have to get things right starting with the backroom staff, if not fans will start voting with there feet as every seasson we start with massive expectation ytet seem to have yet another false dawn thrust upon us and met with Rules spin trying to pull the wool over our eyes
Hull Fc is a massive club with a massive fan base who many will support there club through thick and thin and many have seen a lot worse granted myself included, however the time has come for the club to get things right off the pitch and shell some money on a 1st class coach not the cheap option all the time
Speculate to acculamate, look at what Tony Smith has done at warrington with the same set of players that Lowes had attention to detail is everything something i don't beleive agar has
We deserve better and i for don't want to have another season like this next year so go get the best man for the job even if he's under contract get the money out and go deliver Brian Smith, Des Hasler,Tim Sheens coaches of that calibre all the teams at the top end of the table and winning trophys are coached by overseas coaches we need to go get the best simple
So come on Rule,kath grow some balls admit you got it wrong an do something about it
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| Quote ="The Brother"Time for the board to act, and act now
It's clearly obvious that Agar is out of his depth, the club is a sham
The team and players haven't improved 1 bit under his stewardship in over a season
He has so many faults as a coach i just don't understand how he is still in the job
10 defeats in 12 says it all tbh, and it could so easily have been 12 from 12 with 2 lucky wins against salford and castleford
We have no structure, no plan B,no defensive line speed,ptb too slow,players played out of postions,no aggression,no set moves etc
His man management his poor Craig Hall prime example the kid hung out to dry instead of working with him to get his confidence back he has just turned his back on the kid which is totally out of order
Im sick of hearing all the injury talk it doesn't wash with me, start of the season we heard everything has been looked at and no stone unturned in preparation for forthcoming season well he must be looking at different squad to me
Our fitness is poor maybe this has something to do with the injurys we keep getting
We need to get a new coach who can bring his players in ready for the 2010 season we cannot have another season like this if agar stays and we start next season like this that will be another season written off
2010 is now a massive season for the club and we have to get things right starting with the backroom staff, if not fans will start voting with there feet as every seasson we start with massive expectation ytet seem to have yet another false dawn thrust upon us and met with Rules spin trying to pull the wool over our eyes
Hull Fc is a massive club with a massive fan base who many will support there club through thick and thin and many have seen a lot worse granted myself included, however the time has come for the club to get things right off the pitch and shell some money on a 1st class coach not the cheap option all the time
Speculate to acculamate, look at what Tony Smith has done at warrington with the same set of players that Lowes had attention to detail is everything something i don't beleive agar has
We deserve better and i for don't want to have another season like this next year so go get the best man for the job even if he's under contract get the money out and go deliver Brian Smith, Des Hasler,Tim Sheens coaches of that calibre all the teams at the top end of the table and winning coaches are coached by overseas coaches we need to go get the best simple
So come on Rule,kath grow some balls admit you got it wrong an do something about it'"
quality post brother...says it all i think...
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| Totally agree, however for me a large majority of the team should go with him..
Lazy, useless and no pride
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Totally agree, however for me a large majority of the team should go with him..
Lazy, useless and no pride
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Agree mate and that is part of his problem he has no discipline over them,he knows how they are they should be dropped and play under 18's instead
Full time players shouldn't be missing training with headaches etc, running off for smoke breaks in between training sessions and drillsit's not a holiday camp ffs we need some proffenalasim at the club
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| Were these concerns evident when you were on the winning streak at the beginning of the season and also looking forward to the arrival of Crocker or is it just a reaction to the recent losses.
The early good form could of course possibly just have papered over the cracks .
We are getting towards the business end of the season , and Hull do appear to be lacking.
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| Quote ="The Brother"Agree mate and that is part of his problem he has no discipline over them,he knows how they are they should be dropped and play under 18's instead
Full time players shouldn't be missing training with headaches etc, running off for smoke breaks in between training sessions and drillsit's not a holiday camp ffs we need some proffenalasim at the club'"
It has been painfull for the last 2 seasons however I would put up with it for another year if the board took action to rid this club of player power which has been the downfall for us for far too long..
Let them fook of to national league one !
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| its run by idiots so what do you expect
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"It has been painfull for the last 2 seasons however I would put up with it for another year if the board took action to rid this club of player power which has been the downfall for us for far too long..
Let them fook of to national league one !'"
around half the squad are only good enuff for NL anyway, come to think of it most of the SL is only good enuff for NL
cue: world cup performance
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| Quote ="t.m.t.b.f."its run by idiots so what do you expect
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Where I work is run by idiots, I still do my job to the best of my ability though and I have pride in my work
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| This seems to be every week now some one makes a mature and reflected post like this, however there are certain quarters on this forum who are hell bent on standing up for, the board, the coach and the players.
Ive made my bed on this issue on many occasions, only to be shot down by the authourities or their generals. We are as a club a laughing stock.
We as the fans are far more powerful than the board, if we dont attend or put the coffers into the pot they're up pooy creek with no paddle.
Next season does look brighter but so did this one this time last year and hopefully the club will invest just a little bit more cash and get a decent and respected coach.
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Where I work is run by idiots, I still do my job to the best of my ability though and I have pride in my work'"
thats funny, i have the same problem
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| The signing of a world class Aussie coach is the future...its like garlic bread. Look back at SL most successful clubs and I tend to think that the majority of these teams have had an Aussie coach at the helm. Also that goes hand in hand with a board that will part with cash to sign high calibre players.
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| A club with the fan base the size of Hull Fc should be competing with the top side's in super league not struggling against the middle and lower teams I mean no disrespect to any team here
But we would pull in 15000 plus crowds every game if we where performing like Rovers , Leeds , St Helen's .Some thing needs doing and right NOW not next year
it says any kind of weather well now it is P!!sing down
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| Quote ="Tooms2000"A club with the fan base the size of Hull Fc should be competing with the top side's in super league not struggling against the middle and lower teams I mean no disrespect to any team here
But we would pull in 15000 plus crowds every game if we where performing like Rovers , Leeds , St Helen's .Some thing needs doing and right NOW not next year
it says any kind of weather well now it is P!!sing down'"
theyve fell off that pedestal, didnt you know
and btw, its sunny as foook round our house
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| Quote ="Monko"The signing of a world class Aussie coach is the future...its like garlic bread. Look back at SL most successful clubs and I tend to think that the majority of these teams have had an Aussie coach at the helm. Also that goes hand in hand with a board that will part with cash to sign high calibre players.'"
You are Peter Kay and I claim my £5
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| The title of this thread made me think he'd gone already. Damn!!
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| I agree with 'The Brother' but does anyone actually believe that on this sunny Sunday morning any member of the board is even contemplating calling the others and requesting a meeting to discuss his future ??
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| Quote ="MR BOJANGLES"I agree with 'The Brother' but does anyone actually believe that on this sunny Sunday morning any member of the board is even contemplating calling the others and requesting a meeting to discuss his future ??'"
We need to make our feelings known on Friday night if nothing has happened
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"kear is an average coach who can motivate a team of underdogs to the odd excellent performance.
I know he saved you from certain relegation in his first year with you but:
how many times have you finished in the play offs with him as coach
how many games had you won in the last 6 with him as coach
how is the player's discipline off the field?'"
We sacked Kear 6 months after he won us the challenge cup. We have endured worse league form since he's left and we've lost all our top players.
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| Quote ="The Brother"We need to make our feelings known on Friday night if nothing has happened'"
I may get called a bad fan and i may get some fans on here quoting 'any kind of weather' to me but if Agar and Sharp are still involved in my club i wont be going on Friday or for the remainder of the season. Thats me letting my feelings known.
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| Quote ="Raggytash"We sacked Kear 6 months after he won us the challenge cup. We have endured worse league form since he's left and we've lost all our top players.'"
Kear still wouldnt be the answer for me. We played poor rugby but fought well and won a cup. The cup hid the truth for me that he still wasnt very good.
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