Can agar really be blamed for the 5 drives drives and kick though ??

Its just funny when Kear apparently lost the dressing room the players went into this 5 drives and a kick gameplan - The same with peter sharp and now we are seeing the same problems now Under Agar. You cant tell me that 3 coaches all play 5 drives and kick. Both Peter Sharp and Agar promoted attacking rugby and under both coaches we have ending up playing identical rugby. You cant say its Agars style of play because when he was at york there was no sign of 5 drives and a kick to the fullback.

Carvell wanted to go, he would still be a Hull player if he didnt. To get any kind of fee for a player in the modern game that has spent more of his FC career on the sideline than in the team is pretty sound business imo

Did you watch his half time team talks on Rugby League Raw though? Uninspiring at best, he seemed the worst coach featured in the series.

The one consistent from kear, through sharp and agar is agar himself. He wasn't around when mcrae had us playing an exciting brand of attacking rugby

For whatever reason, I agree he wanted to leave. In terms of compensation, 50k was woefully short of the mark. The Wire fans I've spoke to think they should have paid double. Carvell would start in any SL side.

I think when Longy turns up next season he will put Agar into a steep learning curve, Longy, Cunningham and Sculthorpe very much operated in some coaching capacity in the way the game is played, attacking options, set plays, opposition weakness etc.
Longy will have a big impact more on the training pitch and will gel the side into a tighter unit to suit his match play.
The prospect of a Longy/Horne partnership looks a promising one and with Tickle doing the goal kicks, I can see Longy performing in the same transition as Steve Prescott.

Agree he would start for any SL team when fit. However 50k for a guy thats at the back end of his career and has missed a chunk of the season for Wire too this season is still pretty good im, especially when we pay 30k for someone who is one of the brightest prospects in the game.

Since we were paying him double that in wages a season and had him signed up for 2 years I disagree.

Carvell was certainly worth more than £50k. The problem was that we were backed into a corner because the contract issue happened so late on and we needed to resolve it ASAP. If we'd had the luxury of more time maybe we'd have been able to hold out for a bigger fee.

Totally Agree - But another i would say is Lee Radford - The guy thinks hes a coach and im sure hes having a big say in what happens coaching wise at this club.

That's agar's fault as well then if it's happening

There is absolutely no way that Jordan Tansey is one of the brightest prospects in the game. There's at least 20 aussie prospects, 20 kiwi's and 20 u.k players in front of him. He is however young enough to still have potential and hopefully he will improve into a very good player. I think 30k is an accurate valuation whereas most fans agree 50k for Carvell was a bargain for Wire.

He may not be one of the brightest prospects globaly, but he is certainly one of the brighter ones produced by this country. Not many British players could get a contract with an NRL club at the age of 21. He has also made a respectful 8 appearnces in the roosters first 11 games, so he must have impressed in the short time that he has been there.

I think you are wrong Chico.

I disagree, completely different players in my opinion, Menzies is a great attacking player, and even though they are of a similar age his last season in the NRL Menzies was playing a lot better then Fitzgibbon.

Just two points Dave:

Firstly Carvell has got plenty of years left him in. I think that your judgement is clouded by the fact your body has given up the ghost at 29.


Secondly, when did Tansey become one of the brightest prospects in the game? Hang on i think i know that one, what day did you sign him?

So you are happy with our attacking performances under Agar and would be happy for us to play the same style of rugby next season with Long?

Anyone who thinks that all that needs to happen next season is for Long to put a black and white shirt on for us to score 30 points a game are kidding themselves.

There's plenty who do though, presumably inluding our chief exec and the rest of the board

How do you know Agar isnt telling the board "we currently dont have the players to play attacking rugby but believe me when I build my team for next year and get rid of the driftwood already here when i took the job things will be different !!!! "

I'm sure he is and that some will believe him

Im sure he is but I dont blame the board for accepting what he is saying and going with him on it.
I too think next seasons buying will help but no it is not going to be the answer to all our questions.
Agar does have to go as he does not have what it takes to take us to the next level.
Unfortunately him leaving will not be on the horizon for quite some time though!

To say he is one of the brightest prospects is a complete joke there are many players in the british game ahead of him in that department, as for the NRL didn't Thorman play in the comp aswell and look at peoples views about him

No Thorman had a season at Parramatta and had minimal first team experience. Tansey, before this weekend, had played a part in 8 of the roosters first 11 games. Pretty good going imo.

The only reason Tansey left Leeds for the Roosters was because Webb, Sinfield and Burrows, 3 quality players, occupied the positions he prefers to play. If he had still been at Leeds he would have been a shoe in for Englands game against France next week, you know that came that has some of you reds creaming your pants because you have 2 players in it.

I would rather have Briscoe and Fox playing against the Quins on friday night than for England on saturday

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