I have my doubts about Agar, but i'm sure everyone does as he's an inexpereinced coach

but IMHO we simply do not have the players (a legacy from Peter Sharps era) to be a top side, every player in the 17 today gave 100%, but that is the best they can manage.

we need a proper half back and have done since Cooke defected. I will judge Agar on whether he manages to solve this long standing problem or not.

You are being sarcastic i presume? Giving one hundred percent would mean they chased the kicks, they ran onto the ball, they looked interested for more than 20 minutes etc etc

Call me whatever you like but Rommel wasn't a Nazi FACT

But for that you have to give credit to KR. Their line speed was superb for most of the game and that combined with big hits almost every tackle gave the impression that you werent running in hard (which from the view of Sky TV you looked to be) I think even Leeds and Saints would have struggled to score more than a few tries IMO today.

So why doesn't he change the way our forwards come on the ball then too flat and too close to the markers

fair play to Morgan he gets his tatics dead right everytime he plays us

always goes at manu to make him work in defence and take his energy levels out of him

And they also play a lot off 1st reciver instead of acting half, they come from deep on to the ball and make a good 6-8 yards every drive

He was in the Nazi party thus a Nazi by affiliation, but he was a poor rugby player.

fancy meeting up mate for a couple of pre match drinks ,will meet you anywhere.

try watching the game back again

we were out of sorts for the first 20 i'd admit, but after that everyone worked as hard as they could IMO, its just they haven't got the skills or creativity to do anything with the ball that is the problem.

Individual errors cost us today, dont think Agar should be the focus of "all" the negativity - just half of it.
I do think if we had of been playing against Saints, Leeds, Hudds + others, we would of been absolutely mullered today.

The players are good enough for a top 6 finish. The coaching team are not. We should be beating salford, cas and teh dobbins at home with the players we have.

FACT - our kicking game is sheite

FACT - thorman couldn't organise an orgy in a brothel

FACT - our kick chase is terrible

FACT - our enthusiasm levels are poor

FACT - our wingers never get a pass

FACT - we stand around in defence waiting for the opposition

FACT - we run far too often from dummy half

FACT - we play with no width

FACT - the interchanges are absolute garbage

FACT - dowes, cusack, tickle and manu play far too many minutes each game and would be much more effective if they were rested


Too many more facts to post

I have watched it again and if you think that every player gave 100% i would really hate to see them giving just 50%.

the team on sky clearly disagree with you then, they kept saying what a great contest it was

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because it was a close game, and blinkered by the last 20 minutes of actual effort from us.

i'm not sure we are, and i don't think we would have been last year either, even with a fully fit squad. Too many 'grafters' and average nobodies.

Peter Sharp took a runner up side and wrecked it. Its going to take time to recover.

could you do better???

His facts arew correct though, any bugger could do better at present, its easy to see. Agar is out of his depth

And to think there the plus points!

Here's another one for you. We'd play better with the following available:

Crocker
Lauaki
Tony
Raynor
Byrne
Burnett
Briscoe/Whiting (get one back/lose one)

First 4 would be in the starting 13 for starters. Wouldn't change the coaching shortcomings obviously, but basically we're in the same boat as we were last season with 7 players unavailable. Might not have made any difference to the results, but with the last 4 losing margins of 1 point, 10 points, 4 points and 4 points, maybe we'd have done enough to sneak a couple of those.

Having those players would makes us win how.

Think Wakey are in a worse situation and they aint doing too badly.
If the commitment was there and the team stopped this boring one man rugby peoples attitudes would be a lot different.

exactly still have the same e coaching setup.

Wakefield have Drew and Brough to create and kick though. We have Horne who's a good defender and runner but never a creative player, and Thorman who wasn't even good enough for fullback at Huddersfield.

Crocker - he's a winner with a winning mentality
Lauaki - Because he's an animal
Tony - He'll actually run the ball out and not go backwards in the tackle
Raynor - Depends what mood Yeaman is in
Byrne - Lack of errors
Burnett ???

But Agar would mess them up as he has done the other members of the squad.