agar has seen enough of him in training to give him the nod and thats fine for me.

Ive seen Maloney this season and he was worse than one of our academy props. He knows he needs to develop his game to make it, at the minite Moa is raw but still offers a lot more than Maloney. Moa is likely to be the one that misses out though when Lauaki gets here.

I'm afraid this is where i take issue with overseas players. Moa obviously has potential but i don't see it as a British clubs responsibility to develop it, particularly at the expense of a British player with equally as much untapped potential.

Its about having the balance i guess between being competetive by using the best you can get and developing local talent. FWIW we dont do bad at all in striking that balance.

I agree, and Hull do seem to strike a decent enough balance which makes the signing of Moa even more strange. IMO clubs should only be bringing top quality overseas players over here that enhance the quality of the competition, not players who take valuable development time away from young British players.

And Moa is a project that could become a top quality overseas player according to Agar, thats why he brought him over.

We're joint top, our best ever start to Super League, unbeaten in five games, with players still to return from injury and two top class players on their way, visas permitting. Yet some people still moan?!

This is Hull FC afterall!

The key word.

If all clubs adopted that viewpoint it would almost certainly signal the end of England on the International stage. The overseas quota was designed to allow clubs to import top quality overseas players who would enhance the competition and in turn aid the devlopment of British players.

Moa doesn't bring anything to the table what so ever imo, but is taking a great deal away from it. Say he does become top class and goes back to aussie to develop his game further what has that achieved for the British game??

have you seen him play?

Have you had this moan on all the other SL clubs message boards (including your own team's, Rovers) or have you just got an issue with FC/Moa.

Different name on the Super League trophy hopefully!!

Say for example we did win SL this year, with Moa being a strong part of the squad for this success. The exposure in the city of the trophy would be huge, fans like to have "favourite" and he seems to fit the bill. Young kids see his as their favourite and start playing the game rather than just watching, these young kids then turn out to be pretty good and get signed onto Hull, or Rovers, academys.

ATEOTD, there is a reason Maloney isnt in the team instead of Moa - we dont know what that is. All we have to go on, is two pretty decent showings, albeit not for very long until his fitness is better - from Moa, and a substandard performance from Maloney in the academy

At Huddersfield last week, why??

And when they are carrying players like Lovegrove that is stopping their British kids develop it does make him look a little silly doesnt it!!

Oh dear

You're fooling no one.

Though he is playing very well the same principle applies. Lovegrove shouldn't be playing here imo, the rules were stretched to allow it, i didn't agree with it at the time and don't now.

Not trying to and frankly i don't care

Couple of points...

If Hull were to make a habit of this kind of thing, I might have a concern. As a one-off I think it makes little difference.

Moa was signed when we were looking short on props and there were concerns over our pack size. He's now looking less necessary. Hindsight is great.

Theres Lovegrove,Gene and Ben McFisher at least are giving youth a chance like Houghton,Burnett,Lee,Hall,Briscoe and G.Horne. 13 out of Hull 17 are English it will be interesting to see over the next two years how certain teams develop as the overseas quota reduces and reduces. To be fair Rovers have got alot of english players who have come through there academy like Cooke

,Wheeldon

,Briscoe

,Fox

and Cockayne

. At least Moa is coming over at a young age and we havent a people like Menzies who is 35.

I agree, especially as Hull are getting better at it.



What personal match favs - 40-20s, individual runs, big tackles etc - which
aren't in the highlights will certainly be featured in the DVDs. Issue 1 feat. the first 4 matches plus extras should be out before the end of March.

D.

Thats a fair enough point actually.

I do remember though how not that long ago people were saying how Maloney would be a great signing and could be a future GB international etc etc, now nobody seem to want to know him.

This is the point I've been trying to make recently. I'm not for one minute agreeing with GG at this stage, but conversely how on earth have you seen enough in half an hour to be so blindly convinced of Moa's potential?

The entire culture of snap judgements on players amongst many Hull fans is quite frankly laughable IMO.

I agree with you there however the biggest cheer of the afternoon greeted him onto the pitch and you could just about feel the earth move when he hit Burgess, so as a crowd pleaser and a bit of a side show he is doing fine and a few will come on Friday just to have a look! His contract payment is very small and he is obviously enjoying being here. For me the jury is still out but he has shown more promise in 25 minutes than a certain other project showed in a full season!!

why are people bringing hkr into it?

tbf i can see where gg is coming from, if crocker and lauaki get here we'll have 8 overseas players in the squad.

imo thats to many and hopefully we'll stay inside the rfl restirctions for 2010 and beyond but agar has to assemble the best squad he can and within the rules but if the rfl keep changing the rules what can he do?

he cant take the moral high road because it will cost him his job.

We'll see come derby day