never rated him before, but now can see that he is a valuable squad player. In an ideal world we'd have about 30 world class stars to choose from, but the salary cap means we need 'cheap' squad players like G Horne. I also don't think he's has been that bad at centre either.

This is not a criticism, but if there is a gap in the defensive line, I would have thought anyone could make a clean break. Busting a tackle means you are getting away from the defender. Imo thats worth more from an individual point of view

He is a decent enough squad player however he is not good enough to be a starting centre in SL IMO.

Last season he stood out due to how bad we were and how low peoples expectations were of him are.

I personally think this season he has been pretty average and once Raynor is back i would like to see Briscoe get his centre spot.

Agree with all of that.

If we had to lose on of Briscoe G Horne or Craig Hall then I'd choose Horne every time.

I would be stunned if anybody thought different.

Says it all then. 4 th choice centre and about 6th choice back rower

How hard did you have to think about that one

About as hard as I'd have to think about dropping him if I were in charge

Our coaching staff were quite happy to start the season with Horne in ahead of Hall.

Was that the question though ???

No, but it would suggest the coaching staff, at that time, favoured Horne ahead of Hall - stunning isn't it?

Key words.

In the first 2 games, he hardly got any decent ball (same with Yeaman) so its harsh to judge him on those games. He got much more ball against Catalans and felt he was very poor. But it's too early just yet to rate him properly for this season. But last season I actually don't think he was that good and don't get the plaudits he got,and if he carries on then I would much prefare Briscoeor Hall there when the team is full strength. Also Whiting too if he can recover properly from injury and get back to how he was before

What if you had to choose between your head, your leg or your virginity?

I lost my virginity to your lass last week. She said it was the best 10 seconds she'd ever had. I'm always armless and usually legless too. Your point?

that's a shame my lass is a cross dressing trucker called dave. Probably was the best 10 seconds as we don't bother since he got diagnosed positive.


My point was that your selection was as obvious and pointless as mine.

Don't we get this 'make or break' talk every year from G.Horne? I think he's started reasonably well in the centres and he looks pretty comfortable, although when Motu and Raynor are back I would personally stick Briscoe in the centres and drop Horne to the bench. I don't think he's done anything wrong, I just think Briscoe offers more in attack tbh and looks like a safer pair of hands. I don't think you can say Briscoe is'nt ready for the centres because as far as I'm concerned, ''if your good enough your old enough'' and he certainly IS good enough. Graeme Horne's a solid defender and he's got got abit of pace but I just don't think he's any sort of threat going forward, and in a centre thats one thing you need. I wouldnt have any problems with him been utilised in the pack because he's a decent runner of the ball and he's definetly strong enough, however as I say I just don't think he is classy enough to play at centre.

Isn't it make or break for him every year?

Maybe a harsh question here, but if he was again offered only a 1-year extension, how many think he would actually be prepared to make the break away and move on?

His Hull career of the past few years has been a tale of convenience, really. He's cheap and versatile and doesn't seem to want to leave, so he gets to stay if we have cap space left and no better way to spend it. Likewise he hasn't had to move, or face the prospect of the challenge new surroundings bring, and he gets to stay with his brother. The fact that he's still a point of much debate about his first team credentials and seems to have pretty much progressed as far as he's going to IMO means this situation is justified, particularly now we have other prospects coming through. Stay or go, I can't say I'd be too bothered either way with him TBH.

Break.
I think he is a good centre, but not for hull. We should be utilising our wingers as much as possible, and i don't think he provides enough ball to Calderwood for what i have seen this season so far.

...and by that trail of thought we should be getting rid of Yeaman too then.

Regarding G.Horne, well I personally rate the bloke. Fair enough he's not world class but he certainly doesn't let anybody down.

Why this thread is neccessary is beyond me.

Nail, hammer, THWACK.

Modern day Rob Nolan / Chico Jackson

Is defo a squad player and I would give him another year, but once Raynor is back, for me Briscoe should go right centre, but Horney good cover now we have lost Byrne.

But one difference is that there wasn't a salary cap then.

I don't think many people think we need to get rid because he's poor, it's just a debatable point about whether or not we could use that part of our restricted funds more effectively.

3 games in, and 3 wins to add. This sort of thing isn't something we should be worries about at this stage surely.

It just seems to me that people don't understand what squad means. They have 19 players in mind that appeal to them and the rest can go.

Our star signing has not and may not arrive, we've just had a player ruled out for the season and yet there doesnt seem to be panic anywhere. Thats testiment to the squad we've got and the reason the G.Hornes, Tommy Lees & Craig Halls are worth every penny.