Lucky you, I've been feeling it since 2007

So after 12 league/cup games in his 1st season we should sack the coach ? FFS give your heads a bang . I don't think people realise how much of a mess Shaun mc n peter gentle left us in behind the scenes , some of the contracts handed out to certain players were astonishing poor and The coach is trying to get to grips with these issues by moving these players on ie Arundel , McDonnell n Miller and using that cap space/money on players we need to improve us going forward , Lee should be given at least 2 years to address the problems we have at this club imo of of course . We have heard about the coach's so called failings but no one seems to mention the good things he's done with his short time as coach ie Shaul established as our 1st choice full back which wouldn't have happen under the last regime , Westy playing his best rugby since he joined the the club , apart from Colbon lee's recruitment so far has been very good , feka , Talanoa , carvel , Tuson and hopefully Sa . He knows Miller isn't good enough and this is an area that needs addressing (hopefully this is the position he and AP will really go for next season when/if they can move miller on )

O/t but to the guy giving stick to Adam Pearson can I just say this .... He doesn't speak for me and thousands of other hull fc fans , AP has been like a breath of fresh air at this club and long may he continue

Rant over

Lee is that you?

You don't even get that every week!

Shit busted

Radford's staying. Let's see who he recruits.

Well he isn't pulling up trees so far :-
Tuson - pointless signing, is he really any better than Pitts,Hadleigh etc?
Talanoa - enthusiastic but average at best,
Carvell - good short term signing but leaves us with about 7 props
Colbon - absolutey awful
Rankin - looks good ( jury still out)

The fact that he was reportedly sniffing around Gale !!! says it all I suppose

Talamoa has been a very good signing, makes loads of yards and tackle busts, if he was faster he would be one of the top wingers on the SL.

Agree about the rest.

But he isn't `faster' that's what makes him average.
I may be missing something but if we are to improve the side
the players coming in should be better than the ones going out.

I agree that Sinfield does these things well but the problem I have with this is that at FC we could have someone like Sinfield booting the ball up field and putting it dead to ease the pressure on us but we're just as likely to concede a penalty allowing the opposition to go back up the field putting us back under pressure. We make too many individual errors when we're under pressure. Hell, we even make them when we're not under pressure. There's nothing that a halfback or a playmaker can do about that.

the thing with improving a side is there's only so many better players out there, and all the other teams are after these better players too, its not something you can just do over night.

Best quote ever? If our winger was faster he wouldnt be average.....class!

Monaghan and Richards aren't exactly fast, but still excellent wingers.

Near impossible to replace Briscoe with a better player, but I would say that Talanoa is better value for money and more consistent than the Briscoe who played for Hull.

Talanoa isn't average, I would say he is a very good player, if he was faster I would say he would be an outstanding winger. We should certainly be looking at keeping him next season, if he this already hasn't been done already.

You have also forgotten Feka who was a Radford signing, although I reckon that Tony had more to do with his signing aswell as Talanoa.

Radford has certainly brought some good things to the squad IMO, the use of Westerman, Thomspon, faith in the young players like Shaul, Bowden and Hadley.

But he needs to start learning from his mistakes and must get his best team sorted.

My only quibble with Radford is his interviews. No coach should ever say that they don't know how to fix a problem, EVER!!! even if they don't know. They have to motivate a group of players, how can they do that if the players aren't sure if the guy leading them knows what he's doing.

Halfback is almost certainly our biggest issue, but I think there's too much more also wrong to think that getting the right one would solve almost all our ills. IMO, the biggest single problem on Sunday was ptb speed, as it has been for most of the last 5 years or so. We were playing against a set Wakefield defence, they were playing against a scrambling Hull one. That isn't about having more brains on the field (even though we definitely do lack them), it's about technique, enthusiasm, and determination.

This is something that I'd like to see addressed soon. I realise that injuries and suspensions can dictate a team selection but sometimes it does seem that he's tinkering for no real reason other than because he can.

Depends how you read stats, really. Whilst I wouldn't go so far as to say that they 'bossed' ours, I do think their forwards outplayed ours, and the stats pretty much back that up IMO. We might have made more metres in total, but that's because we had more possession. Looking at the 8 'proper' forwards for each side:

They averaged more metres per carry than us.
They made more offloads than us.
They made more tackles than us.
They completed a higher percentage of their tackles than us.
They made the same number of tackle busts as us, off less carries, therefore more than us as an average.
They made less errors than us.

The only area in which we came out better than them was penalties, which actually leans towards 1865's assertion about them piggy-backing us up the field.

And then there's what the stats don't show, and what was IMO the biggest difference between the 2 sides, ptb speed. Their forwards were far better than ours on both sides of this.

I disagree. Based upon this year's performances it's entirely fair/justified IMO. Carvell I agree with you, but for me that would have been at the expense of Tuson and putting Thompson in the back row.

You like me like stats, compare Whting Stats to Tuson and hadley and see who offers more in attack and defence?

Whiting has been messed around this year, he has been moved to and given low minutes off the bench in games.

Radford said that the team lacked cohesion after Westerman went off in the London game, so he is aware of the problem.
Backup plans are unlikely to succeed if there isn't another player capable of taking his place.
If there was such a player, we wouldn't be struggling the way we are at the moment.

He should have a backup plan, even it involves changing the tactics and not using the LF like that.

But what you're really saying is that he should have a backup plan that works - if only it were that easy.

If we can't beat Wakefield with a 12-0 HT lead, when your best player goes off, then you have to question the coaches tactics, especially when he seemed to know that we would struggle if it happened from the London game.

At 16-0 he should have had Houghton and Heremia (At LF) on, and told the players to close the game out with safe disciplined rugby.

Maybe that's what he told them.