Fine line between success and failure but stone me I have no idea how you lost that.. you were so much better in the first half that it was a shambles you went in 2 down at the break ! And the same for the second, dominated the territory. Smash and grab from kr. Sneyd has to grubber on your last set though, then worse case scenario they've burnt one tackle on their line. You can't legislate for that last minute though, 90 times / 100 you hold on there. Kr are a much better side then you lot are probably giving them.

We have had the run of the mill with you guys so don't begrudge you it, just wish you hadn't of waited to the last 6 seconds !

Leave Jake alone. He has to get his consolation somewhere.

That is your impression of the match. The actual stats say that your impression is wrong.

Keef, I wanted kr to win. Radford said pretty much what I said (I watched the game after the Cas game and typed that when you won so before hearing Radford). It wasn't a dig at you, I just thought hull were the better side and had more of the territory.

Fact and stats or not I'll take faraimo anytime at 7/4.

i agree jamie Shaul had a good game and worked hard but he has to learn to attack the ball and take it on the full even if it means taking a hit.
Cost us their first try.

We should never ever have lost this. Victory was quite easy to achieve with just 6 secs on the clock.

Anyone who follows NFL will know the Miracle of Minnesota from Jan 2018. You Tube it. We fell into the exact foolish naive trap.

With correct coaching both FC players would have known to let the KR player catch the high ball and deal with him once he came back to the ground. Smash - tackle complete = GAME OVER and a W and 2 points and a monkey off the back and a great week in training.

As soon as those players went in for the ball it's a 50:50 instead of 99% win probability for us - we saw what happened.

Stay out and bingo we win. Foolish and poor coaching as they should have had the discipline to stay out. Couldn't Shaul have just shouted out " let him take it " etc

Some posters say you 'can't legislate' BUT you definitely can and we could and SHOULD have won.

absolutely sweet fa youve spent the night condradicting yourself, a sure sure sign of someone unhappy sweet dreams peggy

what are you talking about the kr player patted the ball back because it was the last tackle how can your coach stop that youve scored plenty of tries like that infact it was fcs trademark in the cup victorys ,try conceding 2 in a minute then get relegated on the strength of it then moan, hull played ok tonight but were not good enough to beat a team that didnt particularly play that well, radfords not as bad as you make out get real

It happens, sometimes you don't win what you should or deserve.

We once rolled our conditioning coach out in a game and still won.

Funny old thing is sport.

i know you must be a bit pi--ed off but you can do better than that

I was not having a dig at you. I was just pointing out that the stats did not back up your statement.

I appreciate that people see the same thing in different ways but despite some territorial advantage FC were devoid of ideas in the last 20 and often took the wrong option. This was touched on in the autopsy at the end of the match. FC game management in the last 10 minutes was woeful. We should never have been allowed near the try line.

I heard radford when I got home. He was doing his best to make the best of a devastating defeat. His demeanour and facial expression said very different things to his words.

LOL red and white muppet

Watch again and you'll see Griffin gets drawn in. He's the centre. By getting involved he is out of the defensive line.
He could have simply let Crooks do what he wanted and kept the defensive line intact. You note the try was scored because McGuire only had to draw in our winger

Thought we were pretty dumb near the end of the game, Sneyd had better options than the one he chose, Danny Houghton needs to inject himself more in close games like these, refusing points on offer also came back to haunt us.

Not bitter at all. I have no expectations this season and expect us to lose more games than we win. The game was a better spectacle than any of last years derbies due to the new rules but skill levels on both sides were poor. If you want to convince yourself otherwise go knock yourself out

A below average SL team though who will finish in the bottom half of the table

What would people change going forward then?

Obviously Connor will come straight back in at 6. I'm hoping this doesn't mean that Washbrook will drop to the bench and push Litten out. I thought Litten looked really busy and we had our best spell of the game when he was at DH.

Paea may as well have not bothered. Barely even noticed him, and on the rare occasion that he did carry the ball he was totally ineffective. Little bit disappointed with how Masi carried aswell tbh, although he put a few good shots in in defence.

In fact I thought our pack struggled as a whole. Taylor made decent yards as he always does, Manu looked strong early in the game and I thought Thommo had a dig, but he always looks best when he can put a bit of footwork on and it wasn't the conditions for that really. The rest were pretty ineffective. Mini and Hadley barely bent the line all night. It was only the hard work done by Faraimo, Griffin and Tuimavave that kept us making yards and getting in good field position.

Sneyd played really well and showed what he can do when he takes on some of the creative duties rather than just playing the organiser. I also thought some of his work from first receiver was excellent and really opened up the field, but it was mostly wasted by Washbrook who just didn't have the quality to take advantage of it. But I am encouraged about what might happen when he is reunited with a proper half back partner.

Dawson Jones had a shaky start but ended up having a decent game. Took his try really well and made some good contributions. My personal preference would still be for Miloudi on that wing, but if Radford sticks with MDJ then I won't complain after tonight.

In the short term, unless Paea seriously picks his game up I would be dropping him for Levy or Fash, and when Bowden and Green are back he wouldn't make my team anyway. I also think that when we have everyone fit Minichiello misses out aswell. Good pro though he is, he just doesn't offer a threat any more. At least he kept hold of the ball last night.

After the game I was gutted and felt frustrated about the performance, but after sleeping on it there were actually more positives than I was expecting. Ultimately we just need to create more, and we will be a decent side. Let's hope Connor fancies a big game after letting us down this week.

Preferred team for Cas:

Shaul
Faraimo
Griffin
Tuimavave
Dawson-Jones / Miloudi
Connor
Sneyd
Taylor
Houghton
Masi
Manu
Minichiello
Hadley

Thompson
Litten
Lane
Nzoungou

And you know that KR are a bottom 3 team? And you know exactly the mental attitude of our players and what Radford says to them? Ridiculous comment

I think Westbrook has earnt his place on the bench for the next game, Paea has one more game,

Only change for me would be Connor at 6 and Washy on the bench with with Lane or Thompson missing out

Not really, we could go on to lose the next 5 have to replace our coach and entire squad. We will never have those at the top of our club refer to ourselves as the little brother. We will also never be in the championship or get relegated whilst you win the challenge cup two years on the trot. We probably will never lose 6 in a row to you either.

Enjoy the result, a good smash and grab.

You may be right. It would be harsh to drop Washbrook, he didn't do anything wrong last night, just not his position. But as I have already said I want Litten in the team, and I thought Thompson was one of our more effective forwards, so that leaves Lane, and it would be tough to leave him out aswell.

nice nibble

Why not just make your point?

Name calling and being abusive does not help your cause.

Hull arent too far off really, pretty solid in defence, made good yards, just that bit of flair missing which you should have back next week. All players make mistakes but its how teams react to them that matters, Sneyds last kick option was wrong but you should have held out.
I thought it was a good hard game for a first proper run out. We had 6 on debut so despite what a few FC fans think we may well improve a bit too.

We defo had Paea's best years too, gone downhill since leaving us.

Dawson was ok last night and steady at best , but after watching that most teams will just target him all game with the high ball and will end up in scoring opportunities. He just doesn’t look confident in taking them and left a couple bounce which you can’t do . We went ok last night , but it proved how wrong we were not to improve our squad . Effort was there just lacked quality in certain positions and nothing new was shown to the past few seasons to trouble teams . We went wide far to early every set in the second half , with no runners coming back inside , the ball just ends up with the wingers who have no space to work with . A new winger prop and back row was needed to freshen things up plus to add more quality .