Think this is the perfect time for a "sending off sufficient". He cost his team any chance of winning yesterday, that should be enough for me. If Charnley got away with just a £250 fine last week for taking Clifford out of the game with a head injury, it would seem ridiculous if Griffin gets banned for telling the ref he's doing a job.
If it came out he said something Mcguire-esque and used slurs then fair enough. But if it was just "you're a ing joke" then giving bans for that but not late high shots seeks wrong to me.
He cost us a good chance of winning with his stupidity, that should be punishment enough for me.

Having said that, I do fully expect him to get a ban because, well, RFL. I just don't think he should.
If anybody from the game gets a ban it should be Fash, as although I think it was accidental, he still have a duty to protect players heads and he hasn't done that, and Makinson will now miss a game and a half.

I’ve held my tongue in this thread as fans are entitled to their opinion; but what you have written is beyond the pale.

Let’s start with the Fash incident. It’s a red card every day of the week. Direct contact with the head with the shoulder whilst prone in a tackle. I don’t think it was a particularly dirty play, but Fash went for an aggressive, dominant tackle and got it completely wrong, leaving a player stone cold K.O.’d. I truly don’t understand how Kendall got to on report; because either he’s penalising contact with the head and it’s a red card, or it’s a knock on, there’s really no inbetween. Those calling “oh the ref shouldn’t have sent Griffin off for the sake of the game”; that good grace was used for that tackle.

After we took the 2; you knocked the ball out on the third tackle which Kendall ignored and you took the ascendancy.

Then you have your second try which Kendall sent up as a try; when McIntosh knocked the ball forwards into Mata’utias forearm and it then went backwards to Savelio, which was ignored/ not overruled due to the silly guess work rules refs need.

And then you get to the insanity that was the Griffin incident. Kendall told him to walk away, he kept gobbing off so he sin binned him. He [istill[/i kept gobbing off, and gave Kendall no choice. There is a massive difference between challenging decisions and calling the ref a joke (an abbreviated version of what turned a yellow to a red I believe). If a saints player had done it I would have had no issue with the ref standing a player down like that; it’s a slippery slope in letting comments like that go and it turning into football.

And as a final point on “Saints got penalties close to our line; we only got penalties coming out of our own half”; I could debate the pros and cons of each to be honest, but I think the BBC put stats up half way through the second half that showed Saints had had 4 times more play the balls in Hulls half than vv. You tend to win penalties where you have the ball and Hull had the ball in their own half a lot and Saints had the ball in Hulls half a lot.

I get all fans see biases and inconsistency with refs; the Saints fans have a particular conspiracy with the disciplinary but generally I think that gives far too much credence to the RFL. I totally accept my counter points are a very Saints centric view of things as well, and that the reality is somewhere between the two of us. There were mistakes in Kendall’s game (yep, Batchelor did shoulder charge Fash, should have been a penalty) but they cut both ways, and in the big moments did well enough. Kendall didn’t lose you the game; Griffin did.

On the subject of the card incident I still can’t quite believe the speed at which the cards were issued particularly yellow to red with Kendal, not speaking to Griffin or trying to defuse a genuinely frustrated player. I hope this incident is investigated by the club to find out exactly what was said in terms of words and context.
If Griffin has used extreme language in the short space of time to warrant the card then I hope the club deal with this suitably and internally. If it’s found that Griffin hasn’t used language to warrant a either card and Kendal has over reacted to being questioned about his decisions or the manner of that, then I would hope the club and RFL take action and Kendal is dealt with again suitably. If it is the latter then I fear nothing will be done as there is no transparency or accountability.
I agree that the officials should be shown respect by players but that is also a two way street.
For me Kendal seems to be someone that isn’t able to communicate with people well or manage situations. He seems to have somewhat of a superiority complex when he has a whistle in hand. He is not the only one in the current list of officials in the U.K. game. There a certainly a disconnect from the officials to the players with no rapport or communication skills. They appear to speak down to the players rather than a mutual respect and act like Victorian school masters.
I’m not going to scapegoat Griffin as he will know that the cars changed the game in St’s favour though I have little doubt St’s would still have won.
For all the ones saying it was stupid arguing a decision that had no affect, I’d say it seems it was more a frustration of the difference in the decisions through the first 40.

People keep saying Griffin should have walked away but to be fair he was walking away. He said about 6 words to Kendall in passing and then walked off. Kendall had to call him back for his yellow card. Griffin then walked away again, said 2 or 3 words and Kendall again had to call him back for a red.
He 100% should have kept his mouth shut but he was trying to leave the pitch at the time. It's not like he was hanging round and shouting in Kendall's face.
After the initial yellow card it could have been some as simple as " sake" that Griffin said to himself. That surely in no way would warrant a red? Could have just been something that Kendall misheard was directed at him rather than Griffin just moaning to himself.
I can handle the yellow but as others have said its the sheer speed at which it turned to a red which is baffling and we would all like some more clarity on. Likelihood is we will never actually get it.

Somebodies just told me that FC have won only 16% of games that Kendall has refereed out of 30 matches in total - only 5 games won - something fishy there

As you say you have a saints centric view of the game as anyone would expect. However you state about the decisions you say Kendal got wrong so are you accepting that Kendal officiated well or poorly?
I accept that Griffin getting carded handed the tie in your favour however no one knows what was said for certain and are unlikely to.
The Fash incident you see as a red card but after viewing it several times Fash has his arms trapped in the tackle and Percival’s arm appears to holding Fash. All players in the tackle stated going to ground and as they land on the floor unfortunately contact is made but I defy anyone to be able to avoid contact when you are wrapped up in a tackle. And falling with the momentum.
Makinson on more than one occasion along with Dodd were more than vocal to the officials during the first 40.
The shoulder charge by Batchelor as you mention was completely ignored along with the off the ball incident late in the game with Walmsley appearing to intentionally run at Fash off the ball.
Every fan will see things differently to an opposing fan but Kendal had a shocker and is a poor official
There seemed to a be difference in how St’s could slow the game down compare to Hull as neither team seemed to be much different at all yet Kendal saw it differently, even the 10M seemed a different measurement between the sides.

Personally my opinion is the officials here are very poor in terms of being able to communicate with players and manage the games. They have very little personality and some to seem to view themselves as far superior. The officials no longer seem to have the ability to talk to players and there is a big disconnect there.

There's no defence over Griffin. People are showing bias here and on Twitter. Imagine if it had been Welsby or on another day Sam Tomkin or Elliot Minchella. Nobody on here would say it was harsh.

Griffin is old enough and experienced enough to know better, you don't question the referee or use foul language even if it's not at the referee's face. Actually, he appears to brush against Kendall which will go against him. Given his previous and recent record I would expect a ban of one or two games.

Rugby players sometimes aren't the brightest ( gareth hock, westerman come to mind )

Think Griffin joins that category great player and our top 3 players this season

But he was stupid yesterday and it cost us

No matter how bad refs are they won't change their mind and can't mouth off getting more like =#FF0000[word removed, you have been warned with the backchat

just when I think you can't stoop any lower

Agree mwindass as how anyone can put Griffin in the same category of players like Hock and Westerman is a disgraceful & shameful comparison to make considering the indiscretions of the two mentioned by Talentboy.

That too.

I meant the homophobic comments tbh. No doubt they'll come back and shout snowflake.

On a more positive note, if he can stay fit Trueman will be such a good signing for us. He's getting better every game and already showing some class after only a few games for us.
That long cut out pass to set McIntosh free was absolutely sublime. The way he threw it a couple of yards in front of Mc so that he could already be in full stride when taking the ball made such a difference to that play. Throw it direct to him with a standing start and that gives the defence an extra couple of seconds to slide and shut down the play a lot earlier.
He offers both a good running and passing game.
Early doors with him but I'm impressed so far and there's still more to come should be stay healthy.

Regarding the Fash incident, going on what Adrian Lam said about the Clifford/Charney incident, unfortunately these things happen unintentionally. So should be the same punishment..Grade B, no ban and £250 fine

Agreed, exactly the same scenario.

Indeed and this is were the lack of consistency comes in with regards to the MRP. It’s not like Fash is known as a dirty player or has previous for anything similar either.

If it turns out that Griffin didn't abuse him.
I hope we appeal like Wigan did when Kendall red carded Bateman for alleged abusive language towards him in 2021.

Kendall got dropped for that.

Wigan showing how to do it with 12.....
Warrington have been dire.
No wonder we beat them at Magic.

Some effort from Wigan. I hope they go on and win it.

Well, at least the semi........

The wheels are well and truly falling of the wolfy wagon

I honestley dont get why people are getting there knickers in a twist over it. What they are saying Fash has done is physically impossible for him to do at that speed. Its a one in a million thing that happened and if Kendall had called held the incident wouldnt have happened anyway.

Just because he got KO doesnt mean he should be banned, are we going to start banning players when legs get trapped in a tackle next ? Or the players or tackled Taylor.

No malice whatsoever and a complete accident with momentum causing the incident to happen and Kendall letting a tackle go on longer then it needed to.

If anyone says Fash purposely smashed him is quite frankly, an idiot.

Agree with your post as unless Fash can undo the law of physics or somehow move his shoulder out the way then he can not be held responsible or be accused of intent. Both his arms appear to be trapped inbetween himself and Percival, even Percival is holding onto to Fash as they all go down.

If Fash does get banned then in affect any this means that any accidental contact with the head is a ban so any player clashing heads will see both players receive bans.

I fully accept the need to protect the welfare of players but finding reasons to ban players just because of an unfortunate outcome of a tackle would be crazy.

No doubt the MRP will be as inconsistent as ever and Fash will be missing come the end of the review.
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There are so many errors in your version of events I can’t be bothered to point them all out.

But as far as the Griffin sending off this is what happened. After the hooter Griffin took out his mouth guard and walked towards Kendall. This wasn’t done in any aggressive way and he appears to point towards the big screen and a point on the pitch whilst saying something to Kendall. What I don’t know but then he turns away and starts to walk off. Kendall calls him back and shows him a yellow card. Griffin continues to walk off throwing his arms in the air and saying something. Again Kendall calls him back and shows the red. You make it sound like Griffin stood there arguing with him while Kendall told him to walk away which is just not correct.

Now I’m not trying to say what Griffin did shouldn’t be punished, and a big factor is what he actually said, but I just want consistency and we are seeing quite a few incidents where players argue decisions with referees and NEVER get punished. Dodd did it and nothing was said.

The only ones that know what was said are Griffin & Kendal as the touch judge wasn’t in ear shot as he was behind it all bent down picking the ball up with his back to everything. So unless the RFL have recording it’s difficult to know if the versions given by Griffin & Kendal differ which is the truth. If the touch judge says he heard it then I’d be very surprised as he must then have bionic hearing given the noise at the time.

The more you watch it I just don’t see that Griffin could have said enough to warrant the yellow unless it was pretty severe language. As for the red Griffin was already walking away so can only imagine Griffin was chuntering away to himself as he was walking away and Kendal misheard or misinterpreted this but even that is some feat at the speed Kendal got the red out.

When Carlos goes to speak to Kendal you can hear audio of Kendal seemingly say it’s dissent.

For all the ones saying Griffin has previous then he’s not alone as so does Kendal for mis hearing a player when he carded Bateman.

Yes Griffin should have known better but Kendal should have the skills to be able to handle and speak to frustrated players. Players and officials are all humans and as such are fallible.

It also makes the allegation that Griffin mouthed off at Brett Hodgson at training more credible given the two recent incidents