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| Quote ="Standee"you following Tansey/HDM/FC/Agar?'"
It was George Riley that tweeted it.
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| Quote ="Standee"Just read it, but it's a poor piece (surprise!) and you can't really judge the context.
We binned players who had done far less than Tansey, he can't be allowed another chance IMHO, totally the wrong signal to send out.'"
I agree he should be shown the door....However we have also kept players for a lot worse ..like Raynor the racist.
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| I know I'll get shot down for this - but i said after the Rovers game he missed in the playoffs that we should get rid. Already had discipline issues and then lets us down for what was the most important game of the season. It's not like Agar didn't know his disciplinary history before we signed him.
So, my main point is, why with this knowledge already banked are we SO short of backs, he has took an almighty gamble in figuring Tansey in for the season. Our 'everyman' Whiting is superb but very injury prone. Richard Horne blah blah blah..To let a youngster like Hall go when we have no 3/4 cover (Manu in centre already) was simply ridiculous. This is where I know i'll get shot down, but give me a Craig Hall any day of the week to a Tansey. This is not hindsight calling, this is simply bad management by Agar.
His recruitment policy is bonkers, Peter sharpe had the same problem - although his was an obsession for utility players. With the salary cap as it is, these managers/coaches have to do better than this.
I wouldn't mind but both Agar (and Webster) were half backs. They should know the importance of that particular role! Beyond belief, even for us.
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| Quote ="Standee"From my understanding most of the squad don't even acknowledge Tansey now.'"
This of course could be construed as harassment and bullying on their part.
Most on here also know of the nickname his teamates have given him.
Maybe he sees himself as a victim. It's a strange world we live in.
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| Quote ="lummy"[uI know I'll get shot down for this[/u - .
To let a youngster like Hall go when we have no 3/4 cover (Manu in centre already) was simply ridiculous. This is where I know i'll get shot down, but give me a Craig Hall any day of the week to a Tansey. This is not hindsight calling, this is simply bad management by Agar.
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| Quote ="lummy"To let a youngster like Hall go when we have no 3/4 cover (Manu in centre already) was simply ridiculous. This is where I know i'll get shot down, but give me a Craig Hall any day of the week to a Tansey. This is not hindsight calling, this is simply bad management by Agar.'"
A tad unfair to blame Agar when the vast majority of posters on here wanted Hall gone.
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| Quote ="Captain Dave"This of course could be construed as harassment and bullying on their part.
Most on here also know of the nickname his teamates have given him.
Maybe he sees himself as a victim. It's a strange world we live in.'"
I've not heard this, can you pm me?
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| Kosh - the posters on this forum don't influence Agar's decisions. It's his decision so I blame him. My point is about balancing the squad, using the cap to it's maximum benefit. Yes Hall had some terrible moments last season but he had some great games too and importantly finished the season well. He's young, fast and exciting and most importantly, a 3/4.
Yes, a lot on here wanted Hall out - good luck to them/us!
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| Quote ="Kosh"A tad unfair to blame Agar when the vast majority of posters on here wanted Hall gone.'"
Don't understand. If Agar did something that was particularly successful against the opinion of the "majority of posters", he'd get the praise - he should equally get the criticism. To state the obvious, he's the coach, not the posters.
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| Quote ="lummy"Kosh - the posters on this forum don't influence Agar's decisions. It's his decision so I blame him. My point is about balancing the squad, using the cap to it's maximum benefit. Yes Hall had some terrible moments last season but he had some great games too and importantly finished the season well. He's young, fast and exciting and most importantly, a 3/4.
Yes, a lot on here wanted Hall out - good luck to them/us!'"
Agree, the balance of the squad is all wrong, that is Agar to blame not us keyboard warriors!
Going to have a bet on Hall being the first try scorer at Cardiff, can just see it now!
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| Quote ="lummy"Kosh - the posters on this forum don't influence Agar's decisions. It's his decision so I blame him. My point is about balancing the squad, using the cap to it's maximum benefit. Yes Hall had some terrible moments last season but he had some great games too and importantly finished the season well. He's young, fast and exciting and most importantly, a 3/4.
Yes, a lot on here wanted Hall out - good luck to them/us!'"
To clarify - I'm not suggesting that Agar is or should be influenced by what's posted on here. My point was that it's a tad harsh to have a pop now when the decision was greeted with overwhelming approval at the time, particularly when you had ruled out hindsight as a factor.
FWIW I was/am a fan of Hall.
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| Quote ="Bal"Don't understand. If Agar did something that was particularly successful against the opinion of the "majority of posters", he'd get the praise - he should equally get the criticism. To state the obvious, he's the coach, not the posters.'"
See my response above. I probably didn't express myself as clearly as I might have but I was trying to avoid the use of the word 'hypocritical' as I don't know whether the poster was one of those baying for Hall's blood last season or not.
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| Quote ="VerbalKint"Going to have a bet on Hall being the first try scorer at Cardiff, can just see it now!'"
I think he is going to have wait for a chance to get into the 17, cant see him making the first game.
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| Quote ="nick hkr"And there you have it, come on here for a debate about your choices (as a rugby league fan) and because of the HKR in my name it's taken the wrong way. At least some of you replied with good answers to my questions.
You thought about tempting James Webster out of retirement?'"
What you said was rubbish, you stated that they are loads overseas halfbacks who would love to come here on a one years deal?
Yet you have failed to name one.
As it has been stated my me and others lots of these we tried to sign one but he couldn't get a Vias due to the Visa's laws tighten the last couple of years.
It nothing to do with with you being a Rovers fan I would have said the same if you where a Hull fan.
As for Webster not good enough.
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| Quote ="Standee"Not only sack him, but sue him for what he's been paid so far, he hasn't "earned" anything and is in breach of contract.'"
I'd sack him that's for sure.
Use the cash with Berro's to break the bank for a half back.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"I'd sack him that's for sure.
Use the cash with Berro's to break the bank for a half back.'"
Why do people continue to assume that cash is at the root of our signing issues despite evidence to the contrary?
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| Craig Hall? Seriously? I'd rather we played Manu there.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Why do people continue to assume that cash is at the root of our signing issues despite evidence to the contrary?'"
Where did i assume that? Also mentioning cash, is it not true that we would have more space on the cap to offer someone with Tansey off it? If cash was not the issue previously we still have more of it with Tansey off the cap to entice someone. (cash may not have been the issue but it can be a sweetener)
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Where did i assume that? Also mentioning cash, is it not true that we would have more space on the cap to offer someone with Tansey off it? If cash was not the issue previously we still have more of it with Tansey off the cap to entice someone. (cash may not have been the issue but it can be a sweetener)'"
In those instances where details have leaked, cash has not been an issue and more cash is unlikely to help - except possibly to pay way over the odds for Sammut. AFAIK Cas have basically said that Chase is unavailable at any price, and our forays into the overseas market have been stopped by visa and/or contract length issues.
This appears to be one of those cases where having more cash really isn't going make any difference as we already had more than enough.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"Craig Hall? Seriously? I'd rather we played Manu there.'"
Me too. Not upset one bit that Hall has gone.
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| Quote ="Kosh"In those instances where details have leaked, cash has not been an issue and more cash is unlikely to help - except possibly to pay way over the odds for Sammut. AFAIK Cas have basically said that Chase is unavailable at any price, and our forays into the overseas market have been stopped by visa and/or contract length issues.
This appears to be one of those cases where having more cash really isn't going make any difference as we already had more than enough.'"
cash is he least of the issues I think, that is something we have plenty of, but only for the right players
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| Quote ="ICECREAMMAN"icon_thumb.gif cash is he least of the issues I think, that is something we have plenty of, but only for the right players'"
Whatever the reasons for signings not coming off i think you and Kosh are both missing my point. My point was that if we sack Tansey we have more buying power. Cash may not have been a problem before, but salary cap space was. We now have more buying power as we can offer Tanseys wage over and above what we offered anyone before. That could well be the difference between offering a good halfback a 100k salary or a 170k salary. Suddenly not wanting to move to Hull may become less of an issue.
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| I don't think Tansey will be sacked.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"I don't think Tansey will be sacked.'"
Well Standee will not be happy, he believes we should sue him,and sack him
However I believe he should be sacked, not sue, hung and quartered though
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Well Standee will not be happy, he believes we should sue him,and sack him
However I believe he should be sacked, not sue, hung and quartered though
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He's taken money under false pretences, it's time sport got less tolerant of idiots like him.
Anyway, we'll see what happens, if he doesn't get sacked then he'll get my support in the Black and White.
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