So you base your knowledge on 30 years "watching" the game?

No. But I do think that he's a contributing factor.

As do i, just depends to what degree we all think he is to blame.

I've just re-read Agar's interview in the HDM preview of the season.

It's all pretty uninspiring cliche-by-numbers stuff:

"... a lot of commitment in training... I'm optimistic and the enthusiasm levels are high... confident we have a great group of players..." etc etc

He also says, notably, "I'd like us to play some football and play with a bit of imagination both with ball out of hand and from the boot... We are a club that has a significant standing in the game and our performances and league finish should reflect that."

he must be joking surely!

Yeah, and playing at school and amateur level for 20 years. Does that allow me an opinion?

No obviously not. You're not allowed an opinion as you've only been a rugby fan for 30 years and only played at Amateur level for 20 years so you're obviously not qualified, any fool can see that.



Or is it because you're still questioning his beloved Agar

Thats the most sickening thing for me, he made big noises about the quality and attitude of the squad at the start of the season, but when its all gone pear shaped instead of holding his hand up and saying he has made mistakes, he seems willing to hide behind this ridiculous excuse that it isnt his team, as if we never had any expectations to perform this season.

If we improve next season and play a more attractive style of rugby, how much of it will be down to the leadership and qualities of the players brought in or actually down to Agar coaching his own team?

I know which 1 I think it'll be but it adds further fuel to the Agar debate.

If you think that is good enough to think your opinion is more value than most then yes, although you still have no experience of professional sport.

Silly.

So if we play well next season it will be the players not agar? Jeez, the bloke doesn't stand a chance.
With that theory why is it not the players fault this season when were shiit?

Because many of the players in our squad have achieved things in the past, Agar has achieved nothing. On top of this he comes across as not being very bright and completely uninspiring, ask yourself if he seems the kind of guy you'd want as your boss?

Ive never seen him work so can't form an opinion on what he's like to work for, as for players that have achieved something, how many have been fit all year? The ones that reached the GF in 06 that was mainly down to Agar as peter sharp has said time and time again. You're saying that he hasn't won anything but how many of the top coaches did in there first full season? Huddersfield got relegated under tony smith!

Do you get away with these type of excuses at work?

No he hasn't.

People have misquoted him on here time and time again, though.

Agar was not responsible for Hull reaching the Grand Final in 2006.

How can you compare professional sport to everyday work? That could be one of the most stupid questions I've been asked.

You need to give up mate, you should have learnt by now unless you slate Agar you will be come under constant criticism, surprisingly by the same posters

What happened to everyone being entitled to their opinion?

Absolutely nothing if individual opinions are respected, it creates debate etc, however respect is lacking when posters are referred to as Agar lovers etc.

I doubt it, of course the two are different but it's hardly an unrelated question. Anyway, the point is at which stage do the excuses stop being allowed to wash. In he season in a half Agar has been in charge he's done nothing to show he is up to the job and plenty to show that he isn't. All he has is a list of excuses to explain why the club is failing, but this doesn't explain why there have been no positive signs of progress under his leadership at all (even allowing for poor results).

Maybe when professional sport is your every day work? Doe it not count for the players as a job then?

there are some Agar fans that refuse he could even be a part of the problem though.

TBF I am not reading posts that totally exonerate Agar from the problems at Hull. Some are sympathetic to his injury/visa problems which were out of his control, some think a number of players are a big problem, some think his sidekick is a hinderance and that Agar needs to grow a pair and get rid.

The answer is probably a bit of all the above.

We know he will start to season as head coach and if the player cull happens and injuries are kind to us then Agar will sink or swim by what Hull FC do and the field of play. He still has a hell of a lot to prove.

You are exactly right and it's something I have said recently as well. I think some people unfortunately think that attaching (usually silly and immature) labels to posters who disagree with them in some way enhances their argument. Also calling Agar names is also embarrassingly prevalent. There are good arguments on both sides of the Agar divide and even better ones near the middle of it IMO but alas some prefer the playground level of debate to that of grown ups.