you going to substantiate that?

doubt it

Because they've been offered better deals for now?

They can always go back.

which means we're paying more than their market value (as usual) whilst keeping our promising players on poor deals and playing U20's

it's the FC way

Substantiate what? That your quick to judge? I don't really think I need to, do you?

I am quick to judge, I don't disagree, but then I don't have FC tinted spectacles on (and usually, nor do you).

My simple observation is that we are not using our salary expenditure wisely.

Which halves and hookers in the u20's are ready or good enough? If we were signing back rowers I'd agree.

Still negs going on regarding money I believe.

We're not, I agree, but we don't have players coming through (yet) in the positions we're strengthening.

Grumpy?

McKinnon is a top fullback, he may well surprise you.

can you substantiate how we are spending our salary cap?

at least wait until some of these guys play for us before you go hell for leather slagging it off!

I doubt our wage structure is alot different to other clubs.

I am not "going hell for leather", I can tell you who the highest earners at our club are, and they are not the players that we'll win SL with.

Maybe I should just not bother posting anymore, it seems the default opinion on here is that finishing 4-8th is fine, not exactly ambitious.

Here you go again spouting made of stuff. No one has said that, one minute we are having a sensible discussion and the next you resort to name calling of other fans.

Don't mistake a lack of cynicism as a lack of ambition.

Rubbish. And you know it.

Where was I name calling, I am simply stating that we are not, on the faace of it, recruiting players that will push us on to the top of the competition, and yet we spend the same cap as Wire,Saints,Wigan,Hudds.....

I wouldn't say it our recruitment from overseas, we've recruited some of the biggest names in world rl in the past few seasons.

It looks like were following other clubs now in signing lesser 'names' who might be able to offer more on the pitch and of course the exchange rate will be effecting things.

It's just the stuff like Grumpy, FC tinted spectacles and accepting 4-8th position.

People are discussing the merits of the players, there is no need to start generalising.

Just had a text about Seymour, seems to be a definate.

About time too, we don't seem to be using the "has he played origin 5 times or more?" recruitment method.
Heremaia and Ellis have kicking games, McKinnon is a specialist FB, and a damn good one at that and Seymour is an experienced halfback that isn't 30+ and injury prone.
Players we need, rather than names.

Wow- werent most Hull fans going nuts that you have nt secured a HB and now your linked with a starter in the nrl, who just led his team to a 5 match winning run, and some are moaning??

I am a bulls fan but quite like hull and the teams are in similar positions ie needing a hb. Seymour will be a TOP signing for either team, and probably better than either teams fans can hope for. Also, signing the starting FB from a team who challenging in the nrl cant be a cast off. A little old, but a quality player who you should be delighted with.

I would happy with signing Seymour. I don't know much about McKinnon but looking forward to seeing him play.

Next season i am hoping for a settled half-back pairing, Westerman to LF, and some way of replacing Fitzgibbons immense work rate if he decides to retire. A new coach would be nice too

Heremaia and Seymour have played a few games together now so we shouldn't have a problem about them clicking.

You seem very certain that he is coming Paul

The Brothers source at NZW (Berro) is usually bob on and someone else let me know who is often right so it looks promising.

One things for certain Berro can't have disliked Hull that much as we have now (when confirmed) signed three former/current Warriors.

Sound good then Paul, he seems to have got his head right at the Warriors and he is a good age at 26