....yet conveniently omitting Andre Savelio, Ligi Sao, Manu Ma’u, Josh Jones (yes a good signing at the time), Josh Reynolds, Mahe Fonua, Joe Cator, Adam Swift and Tevita Satae.

Fonua first time around yes, been a diaster this time
.Reynolds, still alot to prove, injured slot, done ok on the pitch, nothing special, not sure this can be classed a good signing, certainly not getting value for money.
Jones was diaster, not sure whose fault that was though.

Rest I agree with.

Radford, didn't give him the chance, choose to play Wahbrook, Fash or Hadley at holker even when Houghton was out, he should have been on the bench most games.

Massive mistake.

Probably say the same about Abdul, although some was his fault for his poor attitude.

Clearly your crystal ball is as bad as mine (and everbody else's).

You neutral? You're about as neutral as Hitler was Jewish. Just enjoy the fact that you won and we lost because we've had many occasions where we've been able to do just that!

No idea what you are talking about.

I've not conveniently forgotten any of those. You stated 'I guess signing in Kelly, Griffin & Connor was a step in the wrong direction' so I responded to that point and added that shortly after we also signed Langtree, Nzoungou, Miloudi & Dawson-Jones.

So I'll ask you if think our recruitment since the 2016/17 has seen us improve the squad or not. Would you see the likes of St's, Wigan, Warrington Catalans etc sign the likes of Langtree, Nzoungou, Miloudi & Dawson-Jones?

Jones & Mau were players who had been playing well a regularly in SL & NRL and were good signings at the time, though the less said about Jones the better..

Sao & Satae were pretty much fringe players as neither played many games in NRL but have turned out to be good signings.
Much the same for Swift down the order at St's hardly getting a game but has proven a good signing and better than most thought at the time.

Savelio was a gamble due to his injuries and took a while before he was fit, He'd also been at 4 different clubs in as many years too

Cator was decent signing and workhorse.

Reynolds the jury's out as he didn't really get much chance to get any form due to picking up the hamstring early doors then the covid situation but in his first few games he looked like he'd do a good job for us.

Fonua was and has been a poor signing second time round for 2 reasons his form since he'd left SL and we needed to strengthen other areas.

If you look at who we had and what we've lost compared to who we brought in I don't think we are as strong as we were.

I just don't think for a club that had done so much to get where they were in 2016/17 it pushed on after the first Wembley win and we sat back instead of continuing to push forward as we had done up until that point.

Top clubs know when to let players go and when to keep them and for us we still seem to lack nous, we tend to keep players longer than we should and too long without much change also brings a risk of complacency.

In terms of squad I don't think its improved since then and we are now paying for the poor recruitment since then especially if we are in top 3 of clubs at max cap. I don't think i am being over critical in any way and its a fair observation.

I'd even say that both Leeds and Wigan have seen the same issues due to poor recruitment and retention themselves over the past few seasons which probably compounded in that they haven't had the same level of talented young players coming as previously.

The reserves came back in 2017, so it's hardly surprising "fringe" players were brought in to bolster the numbers.

radford wanted to keep litten,kr paid a fee for him, he wanted to go and play more 1st team rugby,, thats what happened ,

Isnt that what I wrote?

He wouldn't have left Hull, if he was getting the opportunities, so it was Radfords fault.

Also I dont think Rovers paid a fee, think it was a player swap (although they could have been money also involved)

you cannot blame radford if he was upset at wanting to keep him he wasnt ready at the time , pearsons to blame in my eyes , with his top heavy, win now salary cap attitude

100% Radfords fault, how do you know he wasn't ready if not given a chance and playing props and backrowers at hooker, he also played well in his free appearances, just wasn't the usual Radford player, who is either 15st or a defensive workhorse.



Pearson doesnt do the recruitment, so not sure how he can be blamed for cap mismanagement.

35k was paid for littens services ,

You swapped Litten for Joel Speed.

Incidentally, Speeds contract expires at the end of this season. Anybody any idea if he is renewing or leaving the club.......?

Quote ="R.B.A"You swapped Litten for Joel Speed. Incidentally, Speeds contract expires at the end of this season. Anybody any idea if he is renewing or leaving the club.......?'" fwiw... Quote Hull FC can confirm that Dean Hadley and Jez Litten have joined Hull Kingston Rovers with immediate effect. Hull FC will receive significant compensation for Litten who came through the club’s academy. As part of the deal, a highly rated Hull KR academy player will also move the other way to Hull FC.'" https://www.hullfc.com/news/2019-07-29- ... in-hull-kr

Quote ="R.B.A"You swapped Litten for Joel Speed. Incidentally, Speeds contract expires at the end of this season. Anybody any idea if he is renewing or leaving the club.......?'" fwiw... Quote Hull FC can confirm that Dean Hadley and Jez Litten have joined Hull Kingston Rovers with immediate effect. Hull FC will receive significant compensation for Litten who came through the club’s academy. As part of the deal, a highly rated Hull KR academy player will also move the other way to Hull FC.'" https://www.hullfc.com/news/2019-07-29- ... in-hull-kr

Quote ="Rocknrolla69er"Thaler doesn't like FC fact. Prove me wrong'" I see he won't be reffing a game in the next round. https://www.seriousaboutrl.com/ben-thal ... res-42990/

Quote ="Rocknrolla69er"Thaler doesn't like FC fact. Prove me wrong'" I see he won't be reffing a game in the next round. https://www.seriousaboutrl.com/ben-thal ... res-42990/

Quote ="Large Paws"I see he won't be reffing a game in the next round. https://www.seriousaboutrl.com/ben-thal ... res-42990/'" Shame they don’t explain why Thaler has been stood down. All banned players get the details of their offence published, only fair we see the same transparency when a referee is guilty of a specific offence too.

Quote ="Large Paws"I see he won't be reffing a game in the next round. https://www.seriousaboutrl.com/ben-thal ... res-42990/'" Shame they don’t explain why Thaler has been stood down. All banned players get the details of their offence published, only fair we see the same transparency when a referee is guilty of a specific offence too.

It’s the second time in 4 weeks, probably due to his inept video reffing during FC games. He gets a weekend in the sun though.

.... he's a linesman this weekend, no mention of him being "stripped" of a game on the rfl website, just in the media.

Rumour has it, it was the game against Cas I think where he denied an FC try that Hicks sent up as a try, not sure which one though.

Do you mean the game against Leeds?
The more i watch it replayed the more i find his ruling disturbing given his other errors against HKR ruling out two good tries.

Needs standing down, part of the old boys click.

even the sky team said it was deffinately a try.

Apologies yes it was, I know he disallowed three tries and only one was the correct and obvious decision, some fans on the Wakey board thought it was when he didn't send an iffy Wakey try upstairs against shudds at the Newcastle last weekend, but apparently it was at your game against Leeds, small comfort eh.