No. A coach in charge of the team, the tactics, the subsitutations, the disapline, all aspects. If the team come good, then Agar is part of it. Same for any coach, in any comparable sport.

So, you say a coach turned the fortunes of the club around thus demonstrating the importance of the role, but agree with him that that any success at Hull FC now would be in spite of the coach? That's somewhat confusing.

Do you not think though it works both ways?, whoever was in charge of the current Wigan team they wold still be a good side because of the quality they have, but there appointment of there coach has taken them to another level, the players we have we will be a decent side, not as good as we could be tough.

Of course it works both ways, that's exactly my point.

The players have to play for the coach and the coach has to perform for the players. That's how you suceed in sports like Rugby League, at this level at least. Hence why I say, if the lads start performing again, and we start winning then Agar should get a proportion of the credit, as it certainly will not be "in spite" of him imo.

None of this means that I believe that Agar is a good coach, there is very little to show that at the moment, but the point remains nonetheless.

Fair point.

I personally think this thread should be entitled 'AGAR & RULE OUT' as its that fecking tool that keeps on backing Agar. Theyre both as useless as each other IMO.

It is Rules job, do you expect any club who still employs a coach to say he is doing a terrible job?

Rule did not give Agar a 2 year extension, that was down to other people.

Well, the way Huddersfield are stuffing Rovers 18-0 at the moment, I would say employing a coach who knows what he's doing is ample proof that Agar is out of his depth.

Lot's of people on here rate Morgan

It is up to individuals to be at their best, but it is up to the coach for the team to be at it's best. There are some good individual performances, but some (if not most) things can only be done successfully as a team.
There have been many seasons when we have played well above ourselves, and that is because we played as a team. We are very much under performing since Sharp/Agar

Watching the Hudds/Rovers game is actually making me more depressed, to see a club that has such p!ss poor support fielding a team of such quality and playing a brand of rugby league we could only dream of. We are being well and truely mugged at Hull

Hudds are another team who look fitter, stronger, more committed and far sharper than Hull have looked for 5 years plus. Every player knows their job and performs it to the best of their ability. They are clearly motivated and confident in their level of fitness to be able to put 4 and 5 players into tackles, to chase kicks hard, and to keep a fast line speed. We are getting worse and not better in these fundamentals of the game. It is a fair question to ask why we cant get near these levels.

And at least Morgan is talking to his team in the dressing room, unlike Agar who walked around aimlessly with hands in pocket, looking totally clueless

Udders look very well drilled

I like watch Hudds this season , The style of rugby they play has totally changed from previous years with minimal changes to the team.

Love him or hate him,the media whore gets the club more publicity than our coach ever will.About his coaching ability,i think he can inspire a team more than Agar can.

Couldn't give a about whether the coach is a media whore or not that's not his main job. If we were 22-0 down at HT against Hudds and Morgan was our coach he would be being slated. Obviously his pre match address in the dressing room was fantastically inspiring. This is not sticking up for Agar it's a comment about the overrated Morgan.

Unfortunately,sponsors like media whores.

Been struggling for sponsors as well have we ?

Do they?



Sponsors like their name being seen in the media. Our sponsors get every bit as much exposure as anyone else's with a more media-friendly coach.

Complete non-issue IMO. God knows we have plenty to worry about without inventing stuff.

We could be next season,would you sponsor on performance's like we have had this season.Going out in the first round of the cup don't help.

That's your opinion,when did you see our coach summarising at a super league game and mentioning our club like the media whore does with his club.More media friendly

,have you heard his interviews,he makes us a laughing stock.

I think you'll find the "more media friendly" bit refers to other coaches.

Sorry, took it in the wrong context.

As Neil said, I was referring to other coaches.

If you really think that Agar's presentational style makes us a 'laughing stock' you need to get out more. Nobody cares. Most of us are far too busy worrying about what's happening on the pitch. Plenty of chuckle-fodder for the RL watching world there.

Sponsors don't care about the [iclub[/i being mentioned unless they get a name check. When did you last see that happen?