Strong words.

Can't see BT sport being welcome at the KC.

It's gonna be wierd watching hull city in a European competition next season . Good luck to them in the final

Brilliantly encapsulates the feelings of the majority of City fans, the vast majority of other teams' fans, the FA, astounded onlookers and the national sporting media. Everyone, in fact, other than our own local media, the sycophants Humberside, shamefully led by Carpet Burns, and the Wail, with it's cowering Allam-champion Fewings.

Sorry, Mild Rover, I cannot agree with your sentiments on this. Mike Calvin of BT Sports should not have to be the spokesperson for every right-minded person not frightened out of their own opinion by Allam's threats. The leading spokespeople protecting our city's soccer heritage should be our local journalists. They have a duty to represent the people who read and listen to their respective media outlets. They should have no obligation to a bigoted bully who mistakes his own financial feathering for philanthropy, thereby believing it gives him carte blanche to destroy culture and acquire the city's legacy. When this is met with opposition he believes he has the right to force the issue anyway, by threats, smoke and mirrors, undemocratic ballots, sheer pig-headedness and embarrassing one-sided spats with the City council.

No, MR, what will happen afterwards should be the least of our local media representatives' considerations. They should he leading the way now, reflecting the mood and sentiments of the whole of the rest of us, both locally and nationally. Their time is now. Instead they cower and hold on to shirt tails, terrified of a camel's spit in the eye.

It is a sad day when the freedom of the press, local or otherwise, is compromised by the spectre of thinly disguised intimidation. If this is the case, and our local 'independent' journalists are compromised into protecting the whims of one manipulative individual rather than the interests of the rightuous majority by not reporting FAIRLY AND ACCURATELY and without being strong-armed, then we all may as well pack up and go home. Allam doesn't pay their wages, the Mail and the BBC do - there's no need to be afraid of not being able to put food on the table ffs. Lets not over-dramatize.

Today Mark Calvin has done Burns and co's job for them. They should hang their heads in shame - they're not fit for purpose as independent journalists. My opinion, of course.

Not my favourite newspaper but a good article in the national Daily Mail dismantling Allam's global ambitions: www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... igers.html

Not my favourite newspaper but a good article in the national Daily Mail dismantling Allam's global ambitions: www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... igers.html

Bear in mind Europa League games are on a Thursday night and the following Premiership fixtures on a Sunday afternoon.

Could be convenient that our last few home games are on a Friday night.

Might not be in Europe if Allam doesnt get his cheque book out

What's his cheque book got to do with it?

Due to UEFA financial fair play rules, the club needs £25mill pumping into to balance the books enough to allow entry into Europe.

To put it in perspective, Man City need about £300mill. But the stadium sponsor deal will be up again soon, that pulls them £500mill from Ethiad

Not true, certainly not for the 2014/15 season anyway.

The only threat to City's European ambitions would be Arsenal failing to get a top 4 finish yet still winning the FA Cup.

Everton beating Arsenal last week probably scuppered City's European ambitions imo. Although it's feasible that City could win the final. Arsenal have been awful for weeks now.

Really?

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Wouldn't City still qualify if Arsenal finish 5th and won the FA Cup? Top 4 get into the Champions League, 5th gets Europa League along with League Cup and FA Cup winners. If Arsenal qualify via their league finish isn't it the cup runners up that get that competitions Euro entry?

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League along with League Cup and FA Cup winners. :2loypk0dIf Arsenal qualify via their league finish isn't it the cup runners up thWouldn't City still qualify if Arsenal finish 5th and won the FA Cup? Top 4 get into the Champions League, 5th gets Europa at get that competitions Euro entry?[/

As I understand it to get into Europe, City must either win the FA Cup or if they lose, hope Arsenal finish 4th.

If Arsenal win the Cup but finish 5th or lower, the last Europa League place goes to the team finishing 8th in the Premier League.

That basically says that as city would have been playing in Europe for 4 months before Mr Allam had to cough up £25m, the only penalty they might impose would be the withholding of prizemoney.

Did you even read that link? Because it blows your argument out of the water.

European Qualification:

Premier League Pos 1-3: Automatic Qualification for Champions League group stage.
Premier League Pos 4: Entry into Champions League at final qualifying round.
Premier League Pos 5: Automatic Entry into Europa League.
League Cup Winners: Automatic Entry into Europa League. The League Cup Winners this season were Man City who will almost certainly qualify for the Champions League, so therefore this European spot is transferred to the team finishing 6th in the Premier League (not to Sunderland who lost the final).

F.A.Cup Winners: Automatic Entry into the Europa League. if the winners have already qualified for any European spot via any of the above entry levels, then their place goes to the F.A.Cup runners-up. If both finalists have already secured a spot then the final place goes to the team finishing in 7th place in the Premier League.

As others have already stated, the financial fair play rules will not affect qualification for entry into the European competitions for the season 2014/15.

What all of this means from City's point of view is that, providing Arsenal finish anywhere inside the top 6 of this season's Premier League (highly likely, even with their stuttering league form of late), Tigers will be playing Thursday Nights on Channel 5 next season, irrespective of whether they are F.A.Cup winners or runners-up.

Not quite right. The fa cup place enters a round later so if nal came 5th and won the cup they would take the cup space and the other spot would revert to 7th in the league. City have everton last game of the season so cant influence this in a way.

Not sure a Europa league place would be for the best anyway, unless you get to the quarter finals you face playing Eastern Europe teams who are so obscure you have to google them, meanwhile the long away trips and extra mid-week game stretches the squad. Swansea this season and Newcastle the other year have struggled because of it.

Where did you get this from?

Most City fans seem to think that if Arsenal win the cup and finish 5th then they take the European cup spot allocated to the FA cup because it has a higher seeding and the place reserved for finishing 5th goes to the next highest finisher in the league.

Found this on the Premier League website

Should the FA Cup winners, runners-up (if applicable) and the Football League Cup winners already have qualified for Europe, their place goes to the next best placed clubs in the Premier League.

Looks like City would miss out if they lose the final

I could be wrong but that reads to me that City will qualify if they lose the final being the runners-up?

If Arsenal finish 5th and win the cup they will go into the Europa League and City wont.
If Arsenal finish 4th and win the cup then City will be in The Europea League
If City win the cup then they will play in the Europa League

I think it depends where Arsenal finish. 4th or 5th

Im shocked that Allam hasnt had a paddy and tried to get the final moved as playing it in London gives a home advantage to the London Gunners

I honestly have no idea.



This makes sense. Winners of the cups and 5th place qualify. Simple.



This also makes sense. If Arsenal finish 4th and win the cup then Hull City are in Europe.



Again, this makes sense. But it's not applicable to City.



Now this is where I am confused. This line mentions FA cup winners, runners-up, and League Cup winners. Why mention the runners-up if they're not eligible for qualification? That really does read to me that the runners up take the Europa League spot if the winners have already qualified for either the Champions League or Europa League and that it would only pass onto the highest placed team if the runners-up had already qualified for Europe along with the winners. Does my reasoning make sense?