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| Quote ="Chris71"I hope BH sorts his use of the interchanges out for Thursday as Lovodua was brought on in place of Houghton far too late.'"
I really like the look of Lovodua. He brings an energy to the team and always looks like he can make something happen. He needs to be on the field as much as possible. Whether that's hooker, loose forward or whatever. He was wasted today.
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| Quote ="Chris71"I hope BH sorts his use of the interchanges out for Thursday as Lovodua was brought on in place of Houghton far too late.'"
It sounded like Fash was having a mare, and we know Johnstone doesn't offer anything, with plan A not working with Fash, why wasn't Lovodua brought on at loose forward and Houghton who was performing left on at hooker, with Johnstone spelling him if needed?
That and Vulikijapani totally omitted, I'm scratching my head. That scoreline shows we were crying our for better defence out wide with many of the trys coming down the flanks.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Could be the end of Hodgson that run, been here over a year now and I don't think we have improved at all.'"
I'll support him for now but there are shades of Peter Gentle who was another inexperienced head coach.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Anyone back v Leeds?'"
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| Quote ="Rocknrolla69er"It sounded like Fash was having a mare, and we know Johnstone doesn't offer anything, with plan A not working with Fash, why wasn't Lovodua brought on at loose forward and Houghton who was performing left on at hooker, with Johnstone spelling him if needed?
That and Vulikijapani totally omitted, I'm scratching my head. That scoreline shows we were crying our for better defence out wide with many of the trys coming down the flanks.'"
In the forwards though we're missing Taylor, Ma'u and Cator so with such a thin squad we just don't have many options. That said was Bowden just not selected? Thought he was OK last week.
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"I really like the look of Lovodua. He brings an energy to the team and always looks like he can make something happen. He needs to be on the field as much as possible. Whether that's hooker, loose forward or whatever. He was wasted today.'"
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"In the forwards though we're missing Taylor, Ma'u and Cator so with such a thin squad we just don't have many options. That said was Bowden just not selected? Thought he was OK last week.'"
Not selected for the inclusion of Johnstone.Doesnt make sense to me when you know you are going to play Evans for just 10 minutes.
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| I said earlier it would be a Hull FC thing to lose today.... meaning it would also be a Hull FC thing to go to Leeds and win on Thursday. Can't personally see it but once again, I also wouldn't be surprised if it happens.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"In the forwards though we're missing Taylor, Ma'u and Cator so with such a thin squad we just don't have many options. That said was Bowden just not selected? Thought he was OK last week.'"
I'm not following you? We had Sao, Satae, Evans and Brown.
Lovodua played loose forward recently and played very well, against Wakefield if I remember. I'm saying if Fash was playing poorly why was Lovodua left on the bench till the 52nd minute?
Hodgson brought on the much lesser effective Johnstone for Fash instead. I think Hodgsons got misguided loyalty to some ayers or he's for some reason just not starting with his most effective and inform team.
He could of also used Lane at loose forward and Lovodua at second row as he played against Salford, it just doesn't make sense having him on the bench or leaving him in the bench for that long.
He's a good player use him, instead of Fash or Johnstone simple.
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| Quote ="Dave K."I think we will finish around 7th/8th, where I predicted at the start of the year.
No consistency, weak mentally and awful discipline.
Dumbest team in the league, can't even count how many players are in the scrum.(2nd time this year)
Rely to much on Connor, who when he has a bad game or is a bit off like today, we have no other threat.
Hodgsons decision to leave Lovodua on the bench for 50 minutes and play Johnstone is laughable, he offers absolutely nothing to the team, one of the least effective SL players I've seen, saying that Reynolds isn't far off that either.'"
still think Purtill is pulling the strings where Johnstones selection is concerned
Reynolds needs a controlling halfback with him.Personally dont rate him but he will be better with Connor in the halves
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| Said it for years now , we are mentally weak . Till that improves, we’ll never do anything.
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| Just really thought Hodgson got a lot wrong today especially the bench and the poor use of it. We ended up with just Sao & Fash at the end with Satae, Evans & Brown all sat. Thought the non selection of Mitch was another mistake as his defence and strength is much better than Shauls plus think he also has more pace. Our defence and line speed was so slow and lazy today and on a small pitch like Cas it gifted them so much yardage without having to work for it and the amount of off loads we let them make was a joke. In the end Cas could afford to just Chuck it at will as even when if went to ground we had no one to pressure or challenge for the ball.
We played panic rugby from the opening score off a huge error and no one on the field took control and calmed things down.
I really struggled to work out what the actual game plan was today as we were just so erratic. We allowed Cas to just roll down the pitch at will and didn’t attempt to turn their defence round enough and when we did our chase was pathetic.
Even when we managed to start getting out the hole we’d dug for ourselves to get back in the game we switched off at each restart and gifted Cas another score.
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| Hodgson is not a good coach. No way on earth does he get another contract.
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| McIntosh likely to still be out on Thursday and also Wynne likely to be out. Wouldn't be surprised if Houghton picks up a ban.
We will never get even close to a full strength team this year.
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| Quote ="Rocknrolla69er"It sounded like Fash was having a mare, and we know Johnstone doesn't offer anything, with plan A not working with Fash, why wasn't Lovodua brought on at loose forward and Houghton who was performing left on at hooker, with Johnstone spelling him if needed?
That and Vulikijapani totally omitted, I'm scratching my head. That scoreline shows we were crying our for better defence out wide with many of the trys coming down the flanks.'"
Fash had a good game. Mitch should have started, Connor was bang average.
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| Shaul should never play on the wing for us again, either fullback or nothing
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| Quote ="mosher"Fash had a good game. Mitch should have started, Connor was bang average.'"
Not sure if Connor was 100% fit the amount of work the physio was doing with him long before the rest of the team came out for warm up. Also the fact McNamara was goal kicker and taking some of the kicking duties.
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| Doubt over Wynne now as well, McIntosh not back for a couple of weeks.
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| I think like a lot of fans, all the team thought they had to do was turn up. Realistically, most people thought we’ d hammer Cas. This mentality HAS to go. With very little strength in depth it’s going to be a long, hard season. We need to stop bigging up Connor, he was shocking today, albeit not the only one, think it just goes to his head. Griffin is not captain material either.
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| Quote ="mosher"Fash had a good game. Mitch should have started, Connor was bang average.'"
Sorry but I just don't see it.
He tackles and not always successfully as seen against walmsley.
The efforts there granted but that doesn't mean a players good enough, he's very restricted, Lovodua has miles more about him, if we have better options use them, instead of leaving them on the bench for long periods.
Fash and Johnstone need to come out as does Shaul
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| Did we win?
Good group on in the Lion.
Let's rock.
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| Don’t think attacking wise we didn’t play too badly, we put 5 try’s on the board which would usually be enough to get a win, but the defence and mentality of this side is yet again concerning.
Hodgson didn’t get it right for me yesterday, and he’ll get some stick, but I cannot sit here and blame him for our players Knocking the ball on from our own kick off, behind and chasing the game from minute 1 against a side desperate for its first win of the season, shocking. Not been able to pack a scrum again, absolutely criminal
This is a squad who has a similar cap amount as saints, let that sink in, and how far away we are from saints as a club. This is years of poor recruitment and retention coming to haunt us.
For Leeds, Lovodua has to start, he’s earned it and he was the biggest positive from our perspective
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| I am now starting to think it's Adam - compare Adam to Shane Richardson. He's simply too nice. He emailed me a couple of times saying that he knew sacking Lee Radford was a choice but felt he wanted to stick with him. BH is no head coach - we would have won at Cas if we were going to finish Top 4 this year. Once again likely 7th-10th and that really is GARBAGE. Utter GARBAGE for the fan base and passholders and max salary cap. Adam needs to hire a head coach that is stronger, much stronger, than AP is.
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| Quote ="HFCHU8"Don’t think attacking wise we didn’t play too badly, we put 5 try’s on the board which would usually be enough to get a win, but the defence and mentality of this side is yet again concerning.
Hodgson didn’t get it right for me yesterday, and he’ll get some stick, but I cannot sit here and blame him for our players Knocking the ball on from our own kick off, behind and chasing the game from minute 1 against a side desperate for its first win of the season, shocking. Not been able to pack a scrum again, absolutely criminal
This is a squad who has a similar cap amount as saints, let that sink in, and how far away we are from saints as a club. This is years of poor recruitment and retention coming to haunt us.
For Leeds, Lovodua has to start, he’s earned it and he was the biggest positive from our perspective'"
To be honest I think BH has to take a big chunk of the blame with his selection for yesterday, his use of the interchanges again very questionable and the fact that even with the opportunity of half time nothing seemed to have been changed in terms game plan or getting the message to the players to improve their line speed.
At half time surprisingly we were still in the game despite the shocking first half performance yet we still continued to throw the game away in the 2nd half. Cas weren't anything great, just desperate and played that way yet we just continued from the first few seconds to shoot ourselves in the foot.
Not putting Lovodua on earlier and for BH to sit watching the debacle and not bring him on earlier was criminal.
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| Well Reading one write up and seen a lot question and mention attitudes, they compared Houghton stint as lethargic whereas Lovodua brought zip and energy, surely he has to now start.
Another was Shaul who was exposed badly in defense, its the same players who alot on here have called out in the past year, yet here they are starting when we have better alternatives.
Either be brave and drop a couple of hometown favourites or keep putting them in and expecting change.
I will say when Carlos, Macintosh, Mau, Cator and Galr are all back, the ones I think aren't good enough won't be anywhere near the match day squad.
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