Vitriolic abuse and attacks aren't what they used to be

Orwell and Hemingway had their uses.

We've had our moments this season.
If our outside backs get with the programme fo 2020 then we should go alright.
Mau and Jones both love an offload.

From my perspective, AP funds the club exceptionally, training facilities, cryogenics and spends to full cap. Full accountancy aside, which is probably due to the fact that the business side is run on skinny staffing. It’s the performances on the pitch that I just can’t get my head around. Beaten by Hudds. twice, Rovers twice, Salford at home, mauled by Wire, Saints and Hudds. abjectly. Lee Radford has to shoulder the blame, as he has stated, he can’t t get to the bottom of it, that’s his job and if he is incapable of doing it, as he also stated earlier, he should walk. By the way, you don’t have to be an accountant to work out the maths, that, if we had won the games we were capable of doing so, ie. Rovers, Hudds. and Salford, we’d be untouchable in second place. Our coach now says, Cas away becomes the start of knock out rugby, due to his ineptness. I was under the impression that Super League was knock out rugby from day one, after all they are termed weekly rounds. Six weeks ago we were riding high having beaten Leeds at Headingley for the first time in 14 seasons and one game away from another Wembley appearance but again the season has fizzled out. Why fans don’t understand mine and others frustration at abject performances and abject coaching leaves me even more frustrated. AP is lucky to have this club and it’s fanbase, most of us will still roll up and get our passes but if he can’t see what’s happening on the pitch is slowly eroding that loyalty and act to stop it, he’s not the business man I thought he was. Make no mistake, Ian Watson would have had this club at Wembley and vying for Old Trafford but we’re going around with Lee again, same old, same old.

You can see by the way we set up in attack , Radford’s ineptitude.
Our ball movement is woeful. Stand still and pass seems to be our style !
But Radford has done it again. Run off to Pearson and asked for money to spend ! He should be held accountable for the poor recruitment for this season. Ratu apart , where are the others ?
What spell has Radford got Pearson under ?
Other Coaches with Radford’s league record would have gone.

Very unlikely, but it’s a fair point, amazingly we still have the opportunity to do something this season. Rockets up s required rapid

but that is the point "moments", we lack creativity, Houghton is solid but has poor distribution, Kelly is injured more often than not (and if he seriously thinks he'd get an NRL gig he is taking some very potent tablets), Connor isn't a halfback as long as I have a hole in my backside, Radford wants a crash bang wallop side, I want entertaining.

I hear you, but it frustrates me (actually that's probably a bit strong) that people slate Radford/the club for poor recruitment and form all pre season, then slate him for disappointing end to the season, but don't give him any credit for getting to the point of being in the mix, despite this poor recruitment - none of the act of getting us to the brink of the playoffs is down to him apparently.

We have stumbled to 5th position in about the worse quality of rugby league seen in many a year
In being 5th we were utterly spanked at Magic and many many other
matches
You’re right , LR is responsible

Haven't you managed to poach Bellamy for us yet?
I thought you mixed with all the Melbourne shakers and rollers?

Lol I move and shake less as the years go by mate
I’m 51 now - bed by 9.30

However in next 2 months I have a pass out to see

Big Country
Sisters of Mercy
U2

Can’t wait

Careful, you know the more sense you post the more abuse you'll get.

We have had some very good performances too and scored some great tries. The 2 golden point wins were terrific. 6th isn't brilliant but we could be in a dogfight like Leeds, that's real underperformance..

May be "sense" to you, but it is sycophantic nonsense to many.

You can keep Sisters of Mercy and U2.
BC back in the day before the expiry of Stuart Adamson would have been worthy of a gander.
I had [iThe Crossing[/i blasting out rather loudly last week.

That's true enough. I'm off out in a bit so expect the list of "attacks/insults" I have made to await me when I get back then I can apologise and we can all move on.

At no point have I slated Lee Radford, I want him to be held accountable. Try to deal with my post, missed opportunities, that would have us clear in second place in the league and being out coached in a semi. Massive confidence shakers that the coach should have dealt with. I personally rate the team we have. The poor signings were squad players intended for the defunct “A” team, never intended for first team unless we had another horrendous injury list.
I maintain that Ian Watson, would have had a far superior season with this team.

Apology accepted and wishing I hadn’t posted anything to be honest.

At the end of the day we are all fans of this great club and as shown by the posts in this thread everyone is frustrated with the performances and that’s the crux of it all. We are not in Salford position financially and whilst not in the same bracket as St’s or Warrington it doesn’t excuse the poor and inconsistent performances. The players actually want for nothing and I think just a little too cosy with some also seemingly too close to Radford.
For me Radford has to distance himself from the players as in he is no longer ‘one of the boys’ he’s the boss. Sometimes it just seems all too pally pally.

We all want the same thing and that’s for the club to be successful and play decent rugby consistently. I don’t mind getting bear but it’s the manner in which we have been tonked and embarrassed by our own performances rather than the excellence of opposition, that’s what sits uneasy for me.

No doubt we will all still turn up as tomorrow another day but AP & LR have to be aware and switched on to the fact that these swings in performances are starting to turn off the fan base which isn’t a recipe for success either.

If you look at it a different way as a product such as a meal that needs a lot on different ingredients to be top quality you still need a capable and quality chef. Without that you can keep changing the ingredients and occasionally you’ll get lucky and turn out a few decent dishes but you’ll have far more poor/average ones and be very inconsistent.
But with a top chef you’ll get the best out of the ingredients you use and make a far better dish and consistently than someone who is an ok cook.

You are Phyllis Nan Sortain "Primrose'' Pechey, and I claim my £5.

Surely underperformance is not performing to those high standards you've mentioned on more than a handful of occasions this season? I get your point about the (financial) cream always rising to the top but I just want to see my team performing well consistently. If that means we're still not good enough to win trophies i can take that but i do want to see a team who are as good as they should be on a regular basis and we haven't had that for most of Radford tenure.

If only we could get the passion on the pitch that we see on this forum, then this thread would never have appeared. In saying that, any team that concedes more than 700 points should be nowhere near the playoffs (and we are).

Shows how poor SL is, and getting worse.

what are you doing staying up that late tarquin?

He doesnt deserve credit for getting us as you say into the mix.
Our elevated league position is down to the poor quality of Super league as a whole nothing to do Radford.
He should be criticised heavily for poor recruitment,player retention and not kicking on from the C/C wins.
Look at our current points against tally and as pointed out by a previous poster two or three wins against Lower teams like Huddersfield or HKR we would have been clear in second place.Ridiculous that such a poor team could have finished in second place.
Its absurd to give Radford any credit for this season apart from bringing Ratu into the club.

Yes but the same can be said for other clubs, surely? If Warrinton hadn't lost their last six games they'd have second sewn up. They've also lost at Rovers and at home to us.

If Wigan hadn't had such a poor start they'd be clear in second. They lost on golden point at home to us then went to London and lost, followed by a home defeat to Huddersfield. The difference to us is that they've peaked at the right time. I think we were seven places above them in April/May.

As you say, the quality has been poor throughout (Saints aside).