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| Quote ="tony 7"I can't seriously believe we put together a mini revival similar to that of Easter and people are wanting to perhaps give agar more time.
We have had 4 years of absolute dire rugby,heard every excuse possibly and fell behind the main clubs from being top 4 contenders to scraping into the play offs.
Why is it only now the team is performing, is it down to the actual coaching which I'm sure won't be any different to the past or is it perhaps player influence and finally their pride and professionalism?
The sooner he goes the better for me and not only from a coaching perspective but more from the revenue being lost on lower attendances.'"
I'm certainly not been fooled by the brief upturn in form, as you say we have seen similar false dawns before.
however as we are now at the 'business end' of the season, I am prepared to put my complaints and Agar Out thoughts to one side and just get behind the team and club for the next few weeks.
beat Warrington and I may even begin the dream of better things in the playoffs.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Fair enough. You accused people of being blinkered because they ignored the evidence of 3 games against some of the weaker teams in the division but then fail to acknowledge the previous 3 1/2 years of underachievement.
I think we've all waited long enough for agar to prove he's the top class coach that the club needs and deserves'"
No, we've not achieved what I wanted us to achieve but I have been prepared to wait for him to develop. I'm a fan for life and things have been much worse and will be again. I like the idea of sticking with someone who might create something long term instead of bringing someone like McGuire in who will go back to Oz where his home is and leave Wigan in a blink. That's what will happen to us and has before (Smith being a great example of someone who left us to rot without winning anything and rot we did).
However, if Pearson goes for the old fashioned boom and bust approach (although he doesn't strike me as having that approach), I'll still be a fan. I just won't be an Agar boo boy when he goes.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"He's not learning that quickly given that[u we're likely to finish two places lower than we did last year.[/u'"
Or maybe even 1 place above last year
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| I think the point is regardless of what's gone on during the season the fact is right now we are playing our best rugby. We are showing real desire and commitment in defence. In attack we are scoring all types of tries and plenty of them.
We are up against the joint best team in the comp so Friday will be difficult. After that we are playing away from home more than likely so it will be a big test.
The good thing is we go into this stage in great shape and with plenty of confidence.
Personally I don't see us winning another game this season but I concede we now have a good shot at it.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"I think the point is regardless of what's gone on during the season the fact is right now we are playing our best rugby. We are showing real desire and commitment in defence. In attack we are scoring all types of tries and plenty of them.
We are up against the joint best team in the comp so Friday will be difficult. After that we are playing away from home more than likely so it win be a big test.
The good thing is we go into this stage in great share and with plenty of confidence.
Personally I don't are us winning another game this season but I concede we now have a good shot at it.'"
I'm glad our season is the way around that it is and not the mirror-image that Castleford's is. I think it more likely that Hull will beat Warrington than Cas will beat Rovers. I know which set of supporters are feeling better at the moment.
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| Quote ="downtheante"I'm glad our season is the way around that it is and not the mirror-image that Castleford's is. I think it more likely that Hull will beat Warrington than Cas will beat Rovers. I know which set of supporters Iare feeling better at the moment.'"
I think Rovers will win but Cas will turn up to play on Sat, their playoffs start now.
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| Quote ="downtheante"No, we've not achieved what I wanted us to achieve but I have been prepared to wait for him to develop. I'm a fan for life and things have been much worse and will be again. I like the idea of sticking with someone who might create something long term instead of bringing someone like McGuire in who will go back to Oz where his home is and leave Wigan in a blink. That's what will happen to us and has before (Smith being a great example of someone who left us to rot without winning anything and rot we did).
However, if Pearson goes for the old fashioned boom and bust approach (although he doesn't strike me as having that approach), I'll still be a fan. I just won't be an Agar boo boy when he goes.'"
Agar has created long term underachievement and apathy amongst the fan base. if you believe that's a positive and good for the club then you have a very different perspective on things than me. We've all backed wrong horses in the past but I doubt many of us have persevered with them as long as Hull have with agar. Thankfully, I doubt pearson will see poor performances as acceptable and will act at some point
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| Quote ="Standee"maybe it's down to the old regeime disappearing and people being left to do their jobs?'"
You could well be right mate.
seems a big turnaround since pearson took over.
just dont get the need for all the agar threads,think everyone has voiced there opinions through out the season,all will be revealed in the coming weeks,then people can decide wether to buy a pass or not.
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| Quote ="downtheante"I'm glad our season is the way around that it is and not the mirror-image that Castleford's is. I think it more likely that Hull will beat Warrington than Cas will beat Rovers. I know which set of supporters are feeling better at the moment.'"
cas probably spend around £1/2m less on players than us each year and have suffered major injury problems with a paper thin squad. Personally, I'd rather compare us with the other teams who are spending full cap
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| Quote ="PAUL M"I think Rovers will win but Cas will turn up to play on Sat, their playoffs start now.'"
rovers will score 50 points
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| Quote ="PAUL M"I think Rovers will win but Cas will turn up to play on Sat, their playoffs start now.'"
I think Cas are shot, Chase is a great player but he can't perform behind a beaten pack.
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| Quote ="UllFC"I think Cas are shot, Chase is a great player but he can't perform behind a beaten pack.'"
I don't see them winning but its do or die now and they will be up for it.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"He's not learning that quickly given that we're likely to finish two places lower than we did last year.'"
Indeed, and should we lose on Friday we'll finish the regular season with five less competition points than last year.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Agar has created long term underachievement and apathy amongst the fan base. if you believe that's a positive and good for the club then you have a very different perspective on things than me. We've all backed wrong horses in the past but I doubt many of us have persevered with them as long as Hull have with agar. Thankfully, I doubt pearson will see poor performances as acceptable and will act at some point'"
I think if he believes in the fundamentals behind the previous board's approach - their approach must be why Agar is still here - and is prepared to give Agar another year then with the reserves to bring in quality players not at the end of their careers he might have that success. The spin coming from the club seems to be pretty pro-Agar at least for the time being. If he does not want to continue the same approach of investing in Agar then he probably will pay him off (unless we have success this year against all odds) and bring in a replacement. But even then we're not going to be guaranteed better results. Also, let's not forget the new coach will be constrained by the squad that Agar built for a couple of seasons. If we replace Agar and don't win anything for another couple of years will that be better than we are now? Would we then cry out for another new coach and go round and round and round again?
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Indeed, and should we lose on Friday we'll finish the regular season with five less competition points than last year.'"
If wigan lose they will be 3 points worse than last season
If saints lose they will be 5 points worse
If Leeds lose they will be 6 points worse
Perhaps it's been a little more competitive this year.
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| Quote ="downtheante"
If wigan lose they will be 3 points worse than last season
If saints lose they will be 5 points worse
If Leeds lose they will be 6 points worse
Perhaps it's been a little more competitive this year.'"
They'll all finish above us for the fourth year in a row.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"They'll all finish above us for the fourth year in a row.'"
except Leeds (if they lose and we win)
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| Quote ="downtheante"I think if he believes in the fundamentals behind the previous board's approach - their approach must be why Agar is still here - and is prepared to give Agar another year then with the reserves to bring in quality players not at the end of their careers he might have that success. The spin coming from the club seems to be pretty pro-Agar at least for the time being. If he does not want to continue the same approach of investing in Agar then he probably will pay him off (unless we have success this year against all odds) and bring in a replacement. But even then we're not going to be guaranteed better results. Also, let's not forget the new coach will be constrained by the squad that Agar built for a couple of seasons. If we replace Agar and don't win anything for another couple of years will that be better than we are now? Would we then cry out for another new coach and go round and round and round again?'"
If I didn't know better, I'd suspect you were a rovers fan having a laugh.
Maybe if we give agar enough time to assemble his own team we'll be better?
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"If I didn't know better, I'd suspect you were a rovers fan having a laugh.
Maybe if we give agar enough time to assemble his own team we'll be better?'"
As ever Jake, our Agar discussion is going nowhere. You want him out (just a suspicion I have) as quickly as possible and I want to see if we make the GF before I decide. If they get rid I'll still support the club and if they don't I'll continue to hope that he develops into the world class coach that he clearly is not at the moment. That probably puts it all in a nutshell.
Until the next time
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| Quote ="downtheante"As ever Jake, our Agar discussion is going nowhere.
You want him out (just a suspicion I have) as quickly as possible and I want to see if we make the GF before I decide. If they get rid I'll still support the club and if they don't I'll continue to hope that he develops into the world class coach that he clearly is not at the moment. That probably puts it all in a nutshell.
Until the next time
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Indeed. I've known from day one that he will never be a world class coach but I'd be happy for him to go and try somewhere else; east hull would be my preferred destination for him but I suspect even their chairman knows enough about the game not to fall for that one
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Indeed. I've known from day one that he will never be a world class coach but I'd be happy for him to go and try somewhere else; east hull would be my preferred destination for him but I suspect even their chairman knows enough about the game not to fall for that one'"
Imagine if he went there and then proved his doubters wrong.
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| Quote ="downtheante"Imagine if he went there and then proved his doubters wrong.'"
Ooh, yeah, like Craig Hall did. He's an international now, you know.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"Ooh, yeah, like Craig Hall did. He's an international now, you know.'"
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"No one's concerned about anything. pearson will already have made his choice on the coach, I'm sure. I just find it amusing that the agar fans are crawling back out of the woodwork and you've changed your mind on him for the 23rd time.
The only bad thing for me about us winning is that we don't hear from garry brindley'"
You need to learn to read I have not changed my mind at all, however I would love nothing more than him to prove me wrong, I doubt he will though
And no chance will kr put 50 on cas, it will be a close game
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| Quote ="wolfie"You could well be right mate.
seems a big turnaround since pearson took over.
just dont get the need for all the agar threads,think everyone has voiced there opinions through out the season,=#0000FFall will be revealed in the coming weeks,then people can decide wether to buy a pass or not.'"
That sounds to me that agar is staying I bloody hope im wrong but the way Im reading it it seems that you know that Agar will be here next season
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