We went backwards the moment Agar was made coach.

Senior has not been that great a centre over his career, just a good finisher. Hence why he was always made to look as ordinary as he actually is when he went up against the Aussies. It's not until his pace has gone that he's given his winger a second thought. Still one of the best centres GB have had for several years though. Yeaman is very much like him IMO, so my point remains that the club rightly invested in someone who's still been one of the best in his position in the country.

Quote ="Big Dave T"Indeed. I know stats dont tell the whole story but looking at this season alone when Senior is meant to be past it i know which one i'd rather have in my side superleague.co.uk/statistics_pla ... eason=2010'" See my previous post. Senior has probably been playing his best rugby of his career as an all-round centre these past 2 seasons. Until now he's just tried to be a bully, albeit successfully. He's now actually having to play the centre role properly and supply his winger.

Quote ="Big Dave T"Indeed. I know stats dont tell the whole story but looking at this season alone when Senior is meant to be past it i know which one i'd rather have in my side superleague.co.uk/statistics_pla ... eason=2010'" See my previous post. Senior has probably been playing his best rugby of his career as an all-round centre these past 2 seasons. Until now he's just tried to be a bully, albeit successfully. He's now actually having to play the centre role properly and supply his winger.

The problem with King was giving him 2 year deals. He always warranted the deal at the time, as he upped his game when his deal was up. If we'd only ever giving him 1 year rolling deals he'd have probably delivered more consistently.

With Horne, it's a question of hindsight. He's struggled with fitness ever since, but at the time, again, I think he deserved another contract.

I just think it is going overboard to say about how much money we 'wasted' on the 3 players I highlighted. Fully justified investments for me.

greenshields, Prescott and Bosc haven't made a announcement on their futures, fielden and coley have stayed at this years best side (up to now) LMS( and shenton) have signed for one of super leagues most succesf clubs at exciting time(new staduim).

And what's this obsession with sammut?

Top 4 finish....Good run in the challenge cup

Would you be happy if their form was commensurate to their wage??

Senior should have missed 2 years of his playing days.

I have no respect for him at all

He's the one player ive seen this season who can make you excited. Look at his debut try, he was tugging at his badge like a local Wrexham lad. He could be a proper idol at a club like ours. We need one, seen as the last hero was TV

Would you be happy if a player was being paid more than his from dictated?

If Dowes does not like the deal then he can leave, if he stays then he should play to his best.

I dont think we'll make the 8 atm.

I wasn't particularly talking about Dowes, but it has to be said Hull have had better vfm from him than certain other players who earn considerably more and expecting a player to perform better by offering a pay cut is plainly stupid.

If he's not wanted don't affer a deal at all.

But that is the thing, he is wanted, but at a reduced rate, he is coming towards the end of his career, he should expect his value to reduce, which it has.

I wonder if Fitzygibbon was offered a pay cut??

If we offer a deal then he is clearly wanted but a rate we see fit. He has two choices:-

1) Leave
2) Stay and play to his best

Once our recruitment is concluded then we should judge our chances.

It wont be a pay rise!

Exactly. At the moment we're just second-guessing.

How do you know its not already concluded??

Possibly because Agar has said in print that he's looking to sign more players?

Not like you to beleive everything you read in the press Kosh.

Are things that desperate??

It's hardly an implausible statement. We may or may not end up signing someone but why would I assume that we're not even looking? I'd have to be some kind of conspiracy nut.

Why would things be desperate BTW? I never expected much in the way of signings for next year - and I said as much once we'd finished recruiting for this season.

There will be more players coming in 2 possibly 3.

But where's the fun in that?

TBF, looking at who's available it would take some miracle signing to alter my view of our chances for next year.

It won't be a miracle signing but a fullback, halfback and a prop would strengthen us and give us more options to cover the halves in terms of injuries and form.

This season was never going to be a big one in terms of new players, next year will be different and I hear our targets have already begun talking to us.