Errors and discipline.

Improve our home form.

One error per game more than Leeds, 2017
One penalty per game more than Leeds, 2017.

I know, stats are meaningless.

Exactly, I saw with my eyes when these penalties when and where, same with errors.

Lets be honest Leeds where pretty average for most of the season, just peaked at the right time.

Win two more matches!

One word, consistency...and preferably not consistently bad!

Agree with Dave K its not just about penalties and errors but its also where and when they were being made that cost us.

We also need to improve our attacking threat as far too often we relied on a bit of Kelly magic, we need better options for the runner as far too often a break was made and there was no one was in support. We also seem to have far too deep a line going forward as we have gone 15-20 metres backwards from PTB so when the tackle is made we are actaully no further forward than where the ball was played.

I don't think it major changes just more tweaks and adjustments.

Agreed, we play the way Radford wants us to, and it got us another Wembley win and one game from the GF, yes, we do need to be better in attack, but we don't need wholesale changes.

I think we need to get the ball wider, quicker. Our passing is painfully slow, and part of the reason why Shaul isn't effective as a 'ball handler' if he got the ball quicker, in more space then I am sure he will make better decisions.

Discipline is also key. Try and keep 13 on the pitch more often than not would be a good start

Our deep line in attack for me is why we are so poor in the opposition 20.It give the defence so much extra time to cover the attack.
Also too many of our players take the ball up from a standing start rather than in motion.

Valid points, but that’s how Lee wants them to play, we lack pace because he prefers power, we must have some of the slowest centres/wings in SL.

Our passing of the ball is still abysmal. We don't have enough dummy runners and our backing up is poor. We simply don;t score enough tries compared to other top sides. Add in inconsistent discipline and defensive frailties at times and you can see where we've fallen down. Having said that, we've won 2 CC's on the trot and had 2 top 4 finishes in a row. I dare say that had we not got to wembley we probably would (should) have won the SL title in at least one of the last 2 years.

I think we have a good squad of players who are capable of winning the GF but we're not putting together the performances in the league that we've seen in the cup

the way radders has had us play has won us 2 CC finals, a few tweaks here and there is all that's needed, I think abdull coming in could be our missing element as he is a ball handler something we properly are missing,

Not get distracted by a Challenge Cup final

not a bad problem to have, 3 in a row would be immense!!

(has any side ever done it?)

I think wigan might have just managed it (with 8 wins) and saints certainly have as well.

Stuff the plastic final , go all out for the challenge cup .

bang on, hadn't realised Wigan won 8 on the trot (87-95), and then Saints 3 (2006-200icon_cool.gif, when you look at the CC history there's a fair few teams that aren't anywhere near SL anymore!

We sponsor Melbourne Storm and at our annual conference Craig Bellamy came to do a talk and Q&A for 30 mins
I took a lot of notes and will ping them to AP
It's pretty clear he's modelled on Bill Belichick at Patriots
He's crazy for the 1%s and working so hard on all the basics and knowing your job and sticking to it like your life depends on it
That's why Defence wins GFs and is a reflection of the team ethos
Missed tackles are a major gauge of that

Been guilty of a bit of name-dropping on here myself over the years but you are this forum's chief exponent in the art of it.


I like it Tarqs, keep up the good work.

Name dropping Wiv 'ardmen is hardly comparable though mate?

We were in a similar position after our cc wins. I think that next step is a big one and it's more a mentality change throughout the whole club.

There were many heated debates on the wire hoard about us getting to two finals and winning the lls being a success or failure. I'm pretty sure people with a gf ring would call it a a failure. I'm by no means trying to say that the cc or lls are worthless winning any of the 3 cups available is an achievement.

I hope that there's a new name on the trophy preferably warrington but if not anyone other than Wigan saints or Leeds!!!!

www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/ru ... ven-859624 Decent read and good to hear..

www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/ru ... ven-859624 Decent read and good to hear..

I’ll have to disagree Whitey HDM article is a non story. Opening line says it all, the half-back's body is in a great place, just means he here in Hull. However he was a joy to watch last season so I expect a repeat at least if not an improvement

What tosh, Hatton is clear in what he means. Just hoping to read that Kelly has signed a 3 year deal, and soon!