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| I don't see the issue with them receiving an Hull City e-mail with details on about events at the KC stadium. Why is it a data protection issue? Its from Hull City who own the SMC to their own database about an SMC event. They also get details on other events a the KC is that Adams fault. Also with the user agreement we have every extra fan at the KC bought in half of there cash to City.
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| this is an excuse for the sacking of Adam, the Allams have always maintained that they have no allegiances to any of the hull clubs and they wish to see hull excel as a sporting city. do they expect this to become a reality without any crossover support? or is it all yet more tosh from the jumped up money men.
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| Quote ="Rocknhulla"this is an excuse for the sacking of Adam, [uthe Allams have always maintained that they have no allegiances to any of the hull clubs and they wish to see hull excel as a sporting city.[/u do they expect this to become a reality without any crossover support? or is it all yet more tosh from the jumped up money men.'"
Absolutely - if they use this as an excuse for the termination of Adam's contract they can expect some serious accusations of hypocrisy.
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| if he was a "consultant" then he'd not have any legal recourse, nature of the beast.
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| Quote ="Standee"if he was a "consultant" then he'd not have any legal recourse, nature of the beast.'"
In the hands of his lawyers already, though?
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| Quote ="WormInHand"In the hands of his lawyers already, though?'"
according to the HDM, which I trust slightly less than The Star, would AP really take on the Allam's, I doubt it personally.
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| Quote ="Standee"if he was a "consultant" then he'd not have any legal recourse, nature of the beast.'"
the allams have played down adams role as 'nothing more than a consultant' but the reality is that he was a full time employee and there for entitled to a fair dismissal hearing
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| Quote ="Rocknhulla"the allams have played down adams role as 'nothing more than a consultant' but the reality is that he was a full time employee and there for entitled to a fair dismissal hearing'"
was he a full time employee, what's your evidence for such a claim?
and when you say "fair dismissal hearing", what do you mean?
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| Quote ="Standee"according to the HDM, which I trust slightly less than The Star, would AP really take on the Allam's, I doubt it personally.'"
Well, sort of. It was a [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17898229statement released from Pearson to the media in general[/urlwhich the HDM quoted. Perhaps the terms of his consultancy agreement gives him some loopholes he can exploit?
I agree, though, what's to be gained by even more Allam conflict? What does "resolved to my satisfaction" imply?
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| Quote ="WormInHand"Well, sort of. It was a [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17898229statement released from Pearson to the media in general[/urlwhich the HDM quoted. Perhaps the terms of his consultancy agreement gives him some loopholes he can exploit?
I agree, though, what's to be gained by even more Allam conflict? What does "resolved to my satisfaction" imply?'"
We will see in time, I guess.
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| Quote ="Standee"according to the HDM, which I trust slightly less than The Star, would AP really take on the Allam's, I doubt it personally.'"
so by your own admission you are basing your opinion on a sauce that you give no creditability to. was there actually any point in you posting on the thread?
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| What makes you think he was more than a consultant, Rocknhulla? Is there evidence he was actually an employee?
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| Quote ="Standee"if he was a "consultant" then he'd not have any legal recourse, nature of the beast.'"
Actually that depends. The original statement claimed that they had terminated his 'consultancy contract' and if a contract was involved then it's possible that it's been breached.
A lot more complicated than with the termination of an employee but there may be a case there nonetheless.
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| Quote ="Rocknhulla"so by your own admission you are basing your opinion on a sauce that you give no creditability to.
was there actually any point in you posting on the thread?'"
"creditability" bless, when trying to come across as being clever you should try harder.
I ask again, where's your evidence that AP was an fte?
Kosh, that's what I was getting at, if eh's an fte that is one thing, if he was contracted then I don't understand the "without compensation" bit, as you say, a lot of water to go under some fairly rickety bridges in the coming months.
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| Quote ="Standee"was he a full time employee, what's your evidence for such a claim?
and when you say "fair dismissal hearing", what do you mean?'"
well id say because he had a job title would mean that he was an employee.
and id say the dismissal fell short of standards due to the reaction and statement issued by Adam.
shame your picking up on poor english to claw back some pride. or should i say "creditability"
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| Quote ="Rocknhulla"well id say because he had a job title would mean that he was an employee.
and id say the dismissal fell short of standards due to the reaction and statement issued by Adam.
shame your picking up on poor english to claw back some pride. or should i say "creditability"'"
so, anyone with a job title is an fte, right, I get you.
I think you meant credibility, but crack on, it's funny.
AP has simply said it is "in the hands of his lawyers", nothing more, people are making assumptions about things, we shall see what transpires.
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| It's all very confusing.
Pearson [iwas[/i Chairman of Hull City before handing over to Russell Bartlett and becoming Head of Football Operations - a role he continued in after the Allam takeover
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So when did Pearson stop being an employee?
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"It's all very confusing.
Pearson [iwas[/i Chairman of Hull City before handing over to Russell Bartlett and becoming Head of Football Operations - a role he continued in after the Allam takeover
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So when did Pearson stop being an employee?'"
Probably when he bought FC
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| Quote ="gingerspice"Probably when he bought FC'"
Unless the purchase of another company breached a clause in his employment contract (possible) this wouldn't make a difference. If there was such a clause, then the consultancy agreement may have replaced the employment one.
However, reports at the time indicated that the Allams had no knowledge of the buy-out until the day before it happened. If they were that angry, they would have ripped up the employment contract then if they were able. A new consultancy contract wouldn't have been an option.
It would appear that the Hull FC ownership thing has only recently become unpalatable. Why?
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| Quote ="Standee"so, anyone with a job title is an fte, right, I get you.
I think you meant credibility, but crack on, it's funny.
AP has simply said it is "in the hands of his lawyers", nothing more, people are making assumptions about things, we shall see what transpires.'"
i did realise my mistake the first time you pointed it out actually, and used again 'tong in cheek', (totally lost on you)
back on topic, my point is this. consultants are used common place in my line of work, but they would never be given a job title by the customer. and as i know the role of a consultant, if you were not pleased with the job they had done for you. you would just not use them again. ANY kind of sacking would not be required.
it was more the quote "the sudden and in my view totally unjustified termination of my agreement." that leads my to think it was possibly unfair.
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| Quote ="Rocknhulla"i did realise my mistake the first time you pointed it out actually, and used again 'tong in cheek', (totally lost on you)
back on topic, my point is this. consultants are used common place in my line of work, but they would never be given a job title by the customer. and as i know the role of a consultant, if you were not pleased with the job they had done for you. you would just not use them again. ANY kind of sacking would not be required.
it was more the quote "the sudden and in my view totally unjustified termination of my agreement." that leads my to think it was possibly unfair.'"
strange that, because I AM a consultant, and I have always had a job title for every single one of my clients, but it's irrelevant as it seems we are in agreement, AP, to my mind, was an employee and not simply some hired gun as Allam would have us believe. What will be interesting is how much of an apetite AP has for a fight with the Allams, they have deep pockets and huge ego's, interesting times ahead.
If AP was working as a consultant he would have a contract in place, he would be on a minimum of 3 months notice for his kind of position.
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| Quote ="Standee"strange that, because I AM a consultant, and I have always had a job title for every single one of my clients, but it's irrelevant as it seems we are in agreement, AP, to my mind, was an employee and not simply some hired gun as Allam would have us believe. What will be interesting is how much of an apetite AP has for a fight with the Allams, they have deep pockets and huge ego's, interesting times ahead.
If AP was working as a consultant he would have a contract in place, he would be on a minimum of 3 months notice for his kind of position.'"
id be happy to accept that using the consultants im aware of might be a flawed analogy in this case.
i wouldnt be surprised to see Adam go through the motions of an appeal. as you say the question will be to what extent he chases a result. only he knows how badly he's been done to. im starting to wonder how much appetite the Allams have for the running of a football club where your knee jerk reactions to will be scrutinised and lambasted by tens of thousands of passionate fans.
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| Quote ="Rocknhulla"id be happy to accept that using the consultants im aware of might be a flawed analogy in this case.
i wouldnt be surprised to see Adam go through the motions of an appeal. as you say the question will be to what extent he chases a result. only he knows how badly he's been done to. im starting to wonder how much appetite the Allams have for the running of a football club where your knee jerk reactions to will be scrutinised and lambasted by tens of thousands of passionate fans.'"
I don't think they fully understood what they were getting into, the same as Allam Marine, kids playing at being business people, I can hear chickens clucking.
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| Quote ="Standee"Kosh, that's what I was getting at, if eh's an fte that is one thing, if he was contracted then I don't understand the "without compensation" bit, as you say, a lot of water to go under some fairly rickety bridges in the coming months.'"
Must admit it's a bit confusing. If he wasn't an employee then he wouldn't automatically get any 'compensation' if the contract was terminated, so why bother to mention it? I guess he could have had a consultancy contract that included compensation terms for early termination but I'm not sure how often that happens - you'd know better than me.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Must admit it's a bit confusing. If he wasn't an employee then he wouldn't automatically get any 'compensation' if the contract was terminated, so why bother to mention it? I guess he could have had a consultancy contract that included compensation terms for early termination but I'm not sure how often that happens - you'd know better than me.'"
It hardly ever happens Kosh, but you usually don't dispense of a consultant until the end of their term, it's all a bit odd, would you allow a "temporary" member of staff to make decisions that materially impact the long term (like signing a Premier League striker?).
It's fishier than Grimsby on Good Friday.
One thing is for sure, if I were a City or KR fan I would have huge concerns, as it is, if AP has truly fallen outh with "The Doctor" and his snivelling little son I can only be happy, offspring that bask in reflected glory are usually more ueeless than their origin, ask the Murdochs.
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