INOUTWe're also two interchange players down.

I agree with you Watts is a massive miss
How the coach expects us to win at Saints with a second row of Lane,Washbrook and Abdull at 13 i dont know.
I know we are short of numbers but at least Masi would have added some size to the pack

5 from 10 simply not good enough. Can't win outside of hull. Season will be over by the split

We always leave it way way too late before throwing it around. It's where we look our best. Last 5 minutes we caused a few problems and made the breaks.

You can predict the future now?
As I said on coffee ladies middle 8s thread, we lost 11 games last season and made third.

For me our defence structure has cost us this, just sat back all game and let them play at us. The amount of times we were going high was unreal, at least 90% of saints sets started on there 30 metre and ended in our half.

Just not good enough at all tonight, just didnt look interested in having to roll your sleeves up.

How many times do we see the same comment week after week

Sts had a miles quicker play the ball than us tonight which was the difference.

While you'd hope to win away at some of your rivals having Wigan, Cas, Leeds and Saints away in the first 10 games doesn 't help matters.

Great effort by both sides backing up the Easter weekend. Credit to St's, they ran much harder than us and dominated us territorially with a top kicking game. But we made a decent contest of it. No panic just yet.

But Saints know we are not going to score 3 tries in 5 minutes.Too little too late for me

We'll see who's right at the end of the season. At least 5 teams better than us

We are now a shadow of a team of the last two years. Weve lost our best front row, best second row and best back all at the same time. Now the spark has gone and we are basically a mid table team again

We need skme of the lower teams to start taking points off the ones above us,but I honestly can't see Catalans, Huddrsfield, Rovers or Widnes beating anybody but the teams around them.
We obviously need to start beating the top teams too, but it would just be nice to get a little help from our friends across the river.

I don't know. How many times do you whinge about Josh Griffin? How mnay times did you whinge about Kirk Yeaman?

I agree we don't look as good but I think that is a bit melodramatic.

One differing factor this season is that we have had our first 17 on the pitch for about 1 game thus far. It seems to have been chop and change every week pretty much. We had a pretty good run of injuries in the past couple of seasons.

No idea how we kept that respectable tbh, out-classed. Fair play to Saints their pace and handling ran us ragged. A few tough calls but we never seriously threatened. We miss Watts so much, genuine line breaking prop with great hands, irreplaceable. Hopefully we make the 8 but Top 4 is gone IMO unless we can get our first choice players out there every week. Hope Talanoa’s not out for too long.

Agree with you Jake and you could also say Wakefield are also at our level so you can say we are likely to be 6th or seventh at best

I've not really seen much from the sides we've lost to that I don't think we can't overcome in the reverse fixtures at the KCOM. Faraimo back in for Talanoa and hopefully Mini and Manu back next week. I think we can go on a bit of a run now

I actually think this is a bit of a transition season for us. Radford looking to blood a number of young players and I reckon we'll see the back of a few senior ones come next year.

Few winnable fixtures coming up. Yes Leeds and Castleford are in there we are at home. Widnes,Catalans and Rovers all mixed in too.

good post, we just lost to the form team of the competition on their own turf with 2 men down by 2 scores and yet soome are on suicide watch!

Can we play better yes, but Saints are no mugs and Lomax is/was a more than very adequate replacement for Saints and they had pretty much a full strength side out.
I can't beleive some are saying we didn't put any effort in, absolutely ridiculous!

I've already bought tickets for the Leeds home game and will make the 370 mile round trip, no I won't leave at 50 minutes even if Leeds are ripping us a new one, jesus wept PCollinson, FIFTY minutes!!

Calf injury so could be long.Sika also has had a set back so could be out for several more weeks.
Minichello out with groin injury so another out for a few weeks
Fash broken jaw

yes,because you KNOW just how easy it is to get from St Helens to my home on public transport, in fact you know EVERYTHING, we should just let you rule the world from "darn sarf", what could possibly go wrong...

Make your mind up, you said the season was over at the split, hence you think we're not going to make the top 8, suppose you've also predicted we'll be out the cup before we've even played a game also

Season over and all that!