and why should a player with a utility tag be viewed as less talented than a single position player??

this fixation some have with what players earn is tedious to say the very least as its got nothing to do with us and very few if any outside the club know anyway!

It was strongly implied.



He's a much better player than Horne and, as such, ought to earn more.

You shouldn't. But your post implied that you did. After all, how could you possibly make a judgement on his value for money if you don't know how much he's earning?

And he has been a far better player player for us than G Horne. The larger injustice would be if it were the other way around TBH.

Anyone know what the appearance stats are for GH,TL and RW, be interesting comparison.

see what you have started now



wonder if rich will find this thread interesting when he reads it

I doubt he cares either way, he can do his talking on the pitch (when he gets on it) I just wish him an injury free season and the opportunity to prove me wrong, be happy if he does.

He strikes me as the kind of bloke who'll just laugh some of the comments off TBH. Doubt anything posted on here will upset him.

Some of it might make him chuckle, mind.

Depends on which Rich you're talking about


Some people don't like my opinion that he won't play much unless we have a bad year for injuries, also that i think it would be better for him if he moved on to try and establish himself in a specified role and also it could help him financially, it could also benefit the club who could employ a younger player who could do just as good a job for probably less money Ie. Turner.
I'm sure even Rich would understand my point of view more than some on here.

There's a difference between 'not liking' and 'not agreeing with'.



There's a difference between 'not understanding' and 'not agreeing with'.

was tongue in cheek mate,dont think he takes any notice what people say he just gets on with his rugby.

Let me see if I understand your view then. You rate Washy as a better player than RW and he should be in the team, vice captain no less, every week with RW nowhere near the team unless injuries strike. On the back of this you think RW will leave at the end of the season as Hull will not offer him a deal as younger players will offer better value for money.
IMO, for what its worth, this scenario could be turned round 180 degrees if RW establishes himself in the team as many of us feel he should. Personally I hope both players play to their full potential as they both can offer a lot but if RW plays as I feel he can then, with him in the team who knows where we could end up.

FWIW I don't think it matters if both Whiting and Washbrook play well (when they play) as Agar won't IMO drop Horne from 6 or move Fitz away from 13. Yes I do think washy is a better player than Whiting, some don't. I just think my scenario regarding Whiting is more likely.

G Horne
2004 - 2 (+11 sub)
2005 - 6 (+17)
2006 - 2 (+15)
2007 - 2 (+12)
2008 - 16 (+6)
2009 - 19 (+5)

(sorry not got 2003 to hand)

R Whiting
2004 - 17 (+13)
2005 - 24 (+1)
2006 - 15 (+icon_cool.gif
2007 - 13 (+6)
2008 - 2 (+1)
2009 - 13 (+5)

T Lee
2005 - 2
2006 - 1 (+6)
2007 - 21
2008 - 14 (+11)
2009 - 10 (+13)

What a bizarre thread. We got rid of G Horne, Lee, Thackray, Cordoba, King, Thorman, Byrne, Tony, Maloney, Broughton. We kept Whiting, the consensus being he offered good value, versatility and footballing ability. Plus relatively cheap and as a squad player, which we now have few of. He re-signed on 28th August and most were very pleased to see him do so. Since then we have played, what, 1 or 2 games? How can he suddenly be fit only for the exit door? Only on RLfans.

I thought I'd have a look back to see what I'd posted for such a reaction from yourself, perhaps a good idea if you do before posting such rubbish and making accusations against those you don't know.

Its the the ultra offencive line of;

"You seriously need to start watching a few games before making stupid comments"

Which was a fairly accurate assessment as it was a stupid comment

If you consider that a childish insult, you must have gone to Eton or Harrow.



No chips on my shoulders, but you appear to have plently. Afterall you actually questioned the size of my genitals FFS



No, you were inferring that because both players had no pace they made up for it EQUALLY in other areas. Cooke (even now) is streets had of Whiting skill wise.



You are yet to provide an arguement against that other then via expletives. That says more about your inability to make an arguement. The nonsense element is that you cannot recognise that Schofield the player was probably the master at reading a game and being one step ahead of the opposition. That he is now fat and slow is the only difference to Whiting. Your point was he can read the game, so can many others, should they get contracts as well

Also, read my previous reply. He is a better reader of the game than most. And no, it's not his only selling point, but it's something he does particularly well.




Tansey played SO in at least one of the games at the end of last season

. Turner, Hall, Whiting and Washbrook! To a certain degree Richard Hrone has never really found a position to call his own. Many consider his best postion is FB. Berrigan has played SO, SH, Centre and Hooker whilst at Hull. Tickle has played SR, LF and SO. The major difference is, these 3 have the quality to hold down a regular place but fill in when required.

Finally, to Paul M and the other mods. Appologise for the prolonged piffle, but if this particular individual is going to sullen my character, I am going to respond.

Very nicely put Mrs B

Might aswell lock it mods, this thread hasn't been going anywhere for a while now.

Just to be straight here... I personally don't agree with you but I'm very happy that you have an opinion and that you're willing to share it. I think that's what this site is all about - just so long as it stays (fairly) civilised.

Rich is one of those players who you want in your team but sometimes can't get him in it, I'd rather he be with us then against us.

He is more then worth a bench spot IMO, he has one of the best Rugby brains in the squad. If we can put up with Hornes lack of Rugby brain for this long then surely we can give whiting a shot.

Yes. A comment that was not called for at all. And, as was pointed out, I wasn't the only one who thought so.



It was a childish insult. Because someone has a different opinion to you does not mean they do not attend games (I am a season ticket holder) and does not make that opinion stupid.



I questioned the size of your genitals as a (lighthearted) possible reason for your strange aggression.



He's not, as it happens. Cooke has a decent short kicking game and a good cut out pass. He was playing in a good Hull side and his skills were used effectively. Whiting hasn't had much of a chance in a palymaking role, but the skills he's shown in the roles he has been asked to play have been very good.



How can one argue against something so utterly stupid. To seriously suggest that Schofield would be as worthy of a place in our side as Whiting is just nonsense. There's no need to argue against it as it's so patently ridiculous.



You see, you're talking nonsense again. Schofield was a great player. But because I suggest one of our current players reads the game very well doesn't mean that Schofield at 50-odd should be brought back from retirement. It's nonsense. At best.



My point, which I have repeated several times, is that he can read the game [ivery well[/i. He's better at it than most. It's a particular strength he has compared to other players. All pro RL players can read the game, run, pass and tackle. Some do certain things a lot better than others. As per the examples I posted earlier.



And that makes him a utility?



Turner - hard to say as he's a bit unproven. Hall is a centre who can play wing at a push - nothing else. Whiting we've already covered. Washbrook is a back rower who plays stand off in an emergency. That someone is forced to play a position because of lack of options doesn't make them a utility. He's a back rower.



He's played the vast majority of his rugby (certainly in recent years) at 6 or 7. He played FB last year when we were desperate, and probably didn't do as well as Whiting did there.



He was bought as a hooker. That he played other positions because we didn't have options does not make him a utility.



Tickle is a back rower. That he has played other positions when there were no other options doesn't make him a utility. He's a back rower.

So out of your massive list of our overwhelming number of utility players there are actually two. Nice going.



You've, er, 'sullened' (whatever that is) your own character perfectly well without my help.

Not me i am a Rich Whiting fan and i wish him the best of luck with a injury free season and i really do hope he goes great guns for us.

Lee Jackson was brought in as a Hooker, and guess what, he played Hooker, irrespective of injuries in other positions. Berrigans preferred position is now Hooker, BUT GUESS WHAT, HE IS MORE THAN COMFORTABLE IN SEVERAL OTHER POSITIONS = [size=150UTILITY[/size. In fact, on the Ashes tour of 2003, thats what he was described as



but hold on, Sorry, there is no emitocon for "Wood from the trees".

Also, nice play ground tactic your final comment. The I'll just throw back the same comment move, because I have none of my own. Truely inspired



I wasn't suggesting for a moment that Gary Schofield should play for Hull FC. But he can read the game as well as anyone I have met or listened to. AND THAT WAS YOUR MAIN PLUS POINT FOR WHITING. It's really not that difficult to see why I made that comment. Well not to someone with an ounce of common sense.

I'll expect you will have to reply as you just can't let it go. But hey, you keep clutching at straws

That he is more than comfortable in other postions does not make him a 'utility' player per se. At least not in the sense you were implying (that we were 'overwhelmed' with them). He is primarily our hooker and can fill in other positions. And that's just one out of the list I refuted.



Hardly. You said I 'sullened' your character (whatever that is). It's clear that I've done nothing of the sort. You have [isullied[/i your own character by posting in an overly aggressive manner, for no apparent reason.



Of course it is. That Whiting can read the game very well is one of his main plus points. He can also run, pass and tackle to the standard required of a SL player. Schofield cannot. Your point was utterly ridiculous.

only on here huh!


how fickle they are

Okey Dokey - thread going nowhere, and the amusement value of watching AA and MMJ knock lumps out of each other has paled.

Locked.