"A move to Castleford represents very good business for us and gives Garreth the chance to earn a new contract elsewhere, whilst it also takes a bit of pressure off our cap."

Mmmm. If we aren't renewing his contract next year why would cap space matter unless we have someone joining us shortly?

I think they are trying and AP said that in his interview.

I enjoy it tbh. Certainly pours cold water on the penny-pinching claimers.

why? Means that this coach is being backed to structure his own team! Gonna be 10minimum out. The kind of shake up needed imo

I think this must have some credence. I can understand the "clearing the decks" argument, but why would Cas want
Carvell and agree to pay the wage? Donny cannot possibly be paying Miller

I guess I am asking how do loans work re salary cap? I thought the old argument was you play one game, full salary counts on the cap?

But it was our current coach that signed Carvell...

I'm starting to think that there's no one at the club above the cleaner's pay scale that knows what they're doing..

Because it means we have an unsettled squad and we are ultimately wasting money on players we don't really need. Successful clubs don't behave in this erratic manner.

Says on the bbc website that carvell is eligible to play in the cup. A cup win with a 3rd club on the cards?

Hopefully! Can he play against you lot next month? Big move for carvell a chance to earn a contract. Will link up with lynch huby quite nicely.

Cap and loans depends entirely what's agreed by the two teams. However it's an either or situation (to the best of my knowledge) in that either the loan team agrees to take in his cap space, or he remains on the loaners cap (I'd put money on it generally being tied in to how the callback clause works if I were a guessing man)

The cap rules specifically ban a player counting for less on the cap then they did at the start of the year, so it makes no sense cap wise for a team to negotiate a percentage for the loanee team to pay, as they'd just count for the same amount, even though the club is paying them less ...

At a guess then, we have offloaded Carvell full cap for a month (officially), and we can still pay him some of his wage, as can Cas, but only the amount cas him counts? (on their cap, and our cap is zero?)

None of this makes sense to me, when you count Arundel, Miller, Pitts etc. Something seems wrong

No, if cas only agree to pay some of his wage, or rather hull agree to remain paying [isome[/i of his wage, then he will remain counting for [iall[/i of his cap space. What [icould[/i be the case is that cas have agree to pay his full wage for the first month, taking him off hulls cap completely for a month offering you flexibility, then back onto hulls cap for the remainder of the loan (and thus can be called back at any time.) - this, to the best of my knowledge is how it works...

I seem to recall Radford announcing at the start of the year you were up to the cap, and to sign carvell you had to release a few, which didn't happen, then with Sa, and Colbon it wouldn't surprise me if your struggling to move around the cap without breaking it, the month breather on carvell should give you a bit of manoeuvrability though.

He hasn't gone for a month, as the article states "for the remainder of the season"

How would this work with a live salary cap? I was under the impression (probably wrongly) that each player had a salary cap "value" at that exact moment in time rather than totalling it all up at the end of the season? Which would mean if everyone stayed exactly as they are then Carvell would not need to move to keep us under the cap otherwise the RFL would not have sanctioned those other players coming in?

Yeah that's right. For example, if he's on £120k p/a (for maths purposes) as soon as he plays a game his full wage counts towards our cap. However, if he then spends 3 months on loan at Cas, his liability to us (assuming Cas pay his full wage) would be £84k (120k-£36k).

So it can't be the case that Carvell HAS to move to keep us under the cap because the RFL would not have allowed us to sign Sa. If Carvell is going to free up some cap space it must be to bring someone in either on loan or permanently.

That's my take on it, he must be leaving to free up space.

There is a possibility that Carvell has asked for this. If he's been told he's not being retained next year and he's not currently getting a game it may be his idea for him to move on now to secure a contract elsewhere.

I still think it's the first one though.

I think fed-trained players can be carouselled under the live cap rules. If somebody is out long-term (eg Lineham) they can be de-registered. Then when they come back and are re-registered you might need to create some space - de-registering another injured player, loan deal etc.
The whole wage counts once you play was, i suspect, the old system. I think it is now the top 25 registered earners at any given moment.

If we want to get any players off cap, just speak to Featherstone, they are after everyone.

They made a bid for Carvell before he went to Cas.

Heard Pitts is off there, Crookes already there, wonder if they will make a bid for Arundel?

As I understand it, when a player goes on loan he is removed from the club's salary cap and is put on the new club's salary cap.

The interesting thing is, it doesn't matter who pays his wages! So even if we are paying Carvell's wages at Cas (or part of them) he count's on their cap and not ours.

That can't be true, surely?

Sounds crazy doesn't it, but here are the pertinent extracts from the salary cap regs below. A loan is treated in the same way as a permanent transfer, according to A5. I've also highlighted the bit that states who pays the player's salary has no relevance

A5 Signing of a New Player on Loan during the Salary Cap Year
Prior RSCM approval pursuant to Clause 6 shall be required where one Club proposes to temporarily transfer the playing registration of a Player to another Club. For purposes of determining whether or not approval should be granted, the temporary transfer will be treated as a permanent transfer, ie as if the Player has departed from the first Club (see Clause A4) and signed permanently for the second Club (see Clause A3).
Comment to Clause A5: Any agreement reached between the Clubs as to who pays the Player’s salary (or any part thereof) has no relevance to the treatment of the Player in accordance with Clause A5, above.

A3 Signing of a New Player during the Salary Cap Year
Prior RSCM approval pursuant to Clause 6 is required where a Club proposes to enter into a Playing Contract with a new Player after the commencement of the Salary Cap Year. The RSCM will calculate the Salary Cap Value for that Player in accordance with Clause 4.
Comment to A3: For example, where a Player enters into a Playing Contract with a Club commencing on 1 June 2009 (i.e. 6 months into the 2009 Salary Cap Year) which provides that he will: (i) be paid a Gross guaranteed salary of £5,000 per month; (ii) receive benefits to the Gross value of £1,000 per month; and (iii) be paid £250 per appearance, for the purposes of these Regulations, the Salary Cap Value for that Player will be £76,500, calculated as follows:
(i) £60,000 (ie £5,000 salary per month x 12 months);
(ii) £12,000 (ie £1,000 benefits per month x 12 months); and
(iii) £4,500 (ie £250 per appearance x 18 assumed appearances: see Clause 4.5.3(a)).

A4 Termination of a Playing Contract during the Salary Cap Year
Prior RSCM approval pursuant to Clause 6 shall be required where a Club proposes to terminate the Playing Contract of a Player, whether pursuant to a transfer of that Player’s registration or otherwise. The RSCM shall formally approve such termination for purposes of Clause 6 and shall recalculate the Club’s Aggregate First Tier Liability and/or Aggregate Second Tier Liability in accordance with Clause 6.
Comment to Clause A4: If the departing Player was a First Tier Player, then the Player with the next highest Salary Cap Value outside of the Club’s First Tier Players will automatically become a First Tier Player for the purposes of the Regulations.

Carvells moved on to make way for Scott Taylor who should be here this season

Oh great seen as were so desperately needing another prop