In 30 years of supporting Hull FC I think I have called for the sacking of the coach about twice, not always being a fan of laying the blame at the feet of the coach because once the players cross the white wash its up to them to preform, but now the blame has to lay at Agar and Sharp and its time for a change because its the same mistakes week in week out and the coach should be able to sort them by now.

The only thing that will make this board take any notice will be the attendance for Friday. They have proved to be very receptive to any threat to there income.I can see a sub 10K on Friday night and that will have a bigger impact on the there collective thoughts then any loss on the pitch. I reckon that the whole FC organisation has now written off this season, its about damage limitation and projecting forward to 2010 now. The spin will be coming out in full force diverting attention away from the present and towards the bright new future around the next bend. They have been doing this for a number of years, I think that the vast majority have now rumbled them and that is a big problem for them.

I do not blame Agar or Sharp for the present mess, they do as they are told or they would not be where they are. Getting rid would be this boards usual response to poor management options, they hired them and Peter Sharp.

I now think the success we have had on the pitch, Wembley Cardiff and Old Trafford has been in spite of the board not because of them. Its time for a little honesty and openess, but don't hold your breath

He was sacked for a damn sight less though and he had the dressing room

The challenge cup was 4 years a go, the grand final was 3 years a go.... Players' skills go down over time

Quite agree, we still have enough in the playing staff to compete but with the coaching set up we have we are gradually falling further behind.

All the talk from James about Agar not having his own team is just a poor excuse.

When Kear got sacked, how many players did Peter Sharp bring in to take us to the Grand Final and on the winning run that very same year? hmmm

Its not the team you need to bring in, its a change of Leadership, if we have low morale, discipline etc, which it sounds like its getting worse then we need to get rid of the reason for that, and bring in fresh ideas.

Its like putting the wrong fuel in your car, it will stop, and you need to clear it out, all at a cost to put the right stuff back in before the engine will work properly again.

great point, Sharp had his faults (recruitment being a major one) but at the end of the day he flew over from Aus met 30 people he'd never coached before, improved our defence loads, went on a 13 game unbeaten run and got us to the Grand Final.

Agar has been in the FC set up for years, known several players for years but hasn't made any impact what so ever, in fact i'd even say he's been worse than Sharp last season...because at least Sharp could argue he had key players like Berrigan, Dykes, Tony and Horne sidelined for long periods. I rate the likes of Calderwood, Cusack and Washbrook but they do not play in key positions.

and at least under Sharp last season our defence wasn't that bad (about 6th or 7th best at the end of the season IIRC) compared to how poor our season was. No were leaking points for fun, as well as not scoring.

If agar were a man he'd leave now, right this minute, right this second. But he's a girl so he won't

The problem would be attracting a top coach to Hull . Who ever takes over would be working with somebody else's tools again. He wouldn't be able to bring in any overseas players cos the quota's full and there's very few quality English players available.

Excellent,you have encapsuled the players in one word.

On paper we've got a decent side and have made some good signings for next year. A coach with any skill and authority would have them playing well, regardless of who signed them

Good point.



A la Smith at Wire.



Spot on. Rule should start using this analogy instead of the Chef one.

Fully agree. Enough quality next year for a coach worth his salt to deliver a play-off finish as an absolute minimum.

That should have been more than achievable this season.

a better coach would be getting just a few % more out of every player, and the gulf from 3rd to 14th in SL is not that large. It would not be hard to return to the 4th/5th positions we have enjoyed under Mcrae, Kear and Sharp.

I also don't buy this 'own team' stuff either, yes coaches like to have a certain style of play. But not many coaches would have turned Long, O'Meley and Fitzbiggon down given the chance. Of the players OOC I doubt we'd have signed many different players no matter who the coach was...any coach would have signed a no7 and tried to boost the pack.

Are you suggesting that females have no honour?

Only the ones from featherstone

No comment

Lets face it he aint going anywhere be it pushed or walk!!

Im attracted to you - I was just flicking through = I really do not hold with the 'Sack the Coach' idea but yes you are right = but were does that leave us - Jon Sharp - he is one of my all time favourite players but I think he is part of the problem (on the field) I do not want him as Head Coach = Rich Agar as assistant but to who I do not know

Bump, Agar and Sharp need to go now!

But they won't.

Was talking about this the other day. Half expect Agar and Rule to have agreed to a target for next season when they are Agars 'own' players. I reckon he has set a target of winning 5 or 6 out of the first 8 next year or he is gone. Sadly that means we are stuck playing crap rugby this season and no doubt Agar and Sharp will probably make us play poor tactics with better players next season to scrape wins rathers than hammering teams to hide their failings.

of course they will