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| Quote ="R_Tomlinson"????
not quite sure what you are chirping about, I was talking about Hull FC.'"
Any proof of your myth?
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| Quote ="*1865*"Any proof of your myth?'"
plenty, but the people concerned walk a careful path, and rightly so. We shall see how successful Lee is, let history judge the man.
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| Quote ="R_Tomlinson"plenty, but the people concerned walk a careful path, and rightly so. We shall see how successful Lee is, let history judge the man.'"
Well until you provide it for all of us to see, i'll just treat it like the rest of the bile you write.
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| Quote ="*1865*"Well until you provide it for all of us to see, i'll just treat it like the rest of the bile you write.'"
do as you please, thats what opinion is about, the freedom to be wrong, misguided and deluded.
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| Quote ="R_Tomlinson"do as you please, thats what opinion is about, the freedom to be wrong, misguided and deluded.'"
I like a man that practises what he preaches.
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| Quote ="*1865*"I like a man that practises what he preaches.'"
indeed, do you want a lift to Dewsbury next season, or are you going on the Radford Cloud?
seriously, FC are just about knackered, you can support your friend, devotion is admirable, but unfortunately he has no chance, he simply isn't up to the job.
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| Quote ="fcandy"We all know the multitude of problems Hull FC has had since 2007, Wilf superbly summarised them in the latest diary. It appears the club as well as fans moral has hit its lowest point in a very long time. At times like this we must seek out positives in order to give us some hope that things can get better for the club we all love.
Here is my attempt at a list of positives about the club that I hope people can add too in a constructive way to show that we have it better as fans than many other clubs in RL, even within SL itself.
• The club has a loyal and large fan base. : =#FF0000Going backwards though
• We are financially stable. :=#FF0000For how long if gates go backwards
• We have an owner that is open, honest and willing to invest. : =#FF0000 " "
• We are only a derby win a way from being in the top 8. : =#FF0000But even if we win it our record says we'll lose the next game
• Only once this season have we not been in with a shot of winning the game. Are we really as far away to the other clubs as it appears at the moment? : =#FF0000Doesn't matter how far because we're not progressing at least not more quickly than those clubs
• Our U19's squad is as good as any other in SL clubs. : =#FF0000We tell ourselves that as we have over the years but we now seem to be pining our whole future on this unproven rhetoric.
• We play in one of the best stadiums in the league. :=#FF0000 We do but it's causing us grief at the moment and will until the product on the pitch is better
• We have a club that is engaged with the community in many ways. : =#FF0000But less people involved and some may argue of a lesser quality
• We have a successful retail department. : =#FF0000For how long , see all of the above?'" :
The points you make are all subjective I know , as are mine in red , but the progress is going in the wrong direction. There is nothing that I can see anywhere that suggests that things will change in the near future and worse still nothing in the longer term. It will be a miracle if we get sufficient local juniors coming through from the next few age groups that are even of average SL standard never mind good enough to change our fortunes. Even then the odds of finding those numbers that just happen to give us players for each position we need are far greater , more likely we'll find 3 full backs in one year! Young players need to be eased in gently and protected from the disheartening mullerings that potentially we will start to face , an option we won't have. Even if we scrape the 8 or don't but stay in SL this year , what next? Who replaces the aging , experienced players like Ellis , Mini , Pryce , how do we attract the top class centres and props we need , indeed how do we keep the one(s?) we've got? Our proposition to those players will not look as good as the teams that we aspire to be and we won't be able to simply outbid others as we won't have the money unless Adam just keeps pouring more in. And who's got the nous and contacts to dig out the disaffected Aussies that need to rebuild their careers or their juniors that can't break through because they've got Inglis in front of them etc etc? So I'm afraid that I can't see any of your "positives" in a positive light. I hope you're right and I'm wrong.
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| I'm a very positive person and have always been about Hull, but really struggling to be at the moment, I am currently going to games out of loyalty rather than enjoyment. I'm fed up of all this it will be better next year, we have had a few chances of becoming a consistent top side but have never kicked on.
I would say one of the most positive things about the club is our youth players, but im really concerned that we don't have the right coaching set up for them to develop into top players.
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| Well i had to take this chance to give you my first ever post on here.
I have read this thread and wonder what some people are watching ??
I came over as i do every three weeks to see family and so on , and always when i do it is as a good excuse to dump the wife shopping with the girls and so me and my boy can go and watch FC
Well as a man who has watched FC for some 56 years , I can truthfully say I have no idea where any positive thoughts can be gleaned from FC presently...
Yes we have looked worse than this but not for a very very long time..
Reality check
1, who cares if we have a successful shop or not
2, who cares about the community work , the real community work is giving the community whom follow FC something to follow nothing else is required ...
3, Whats the point in developing all these new training areas when clearly they are having no effect what so ever, looks to me the way some are blowing by half time that a few runs on the beach is all that's required.
4, The owner ?? Phooey !! If he is half the man his record shows him to be he will be howling at the moon having made such a stupid and calculated bunch of comments about Radford and his security ..
5, Lee Radford : Came to us a player with a massive bag of medals to his name, and a reputation of a no nonsense player BUT what else is he,
A , his CV as a coach is shocking, are we really aspiring to be coached by an amateur coach at best ?? if so i believe Neil at Hewarth is doing ok at present shall we give him a run too for a few years FFS he will be even cheaper than Radford, or there is bound to be a decent PE teacher at Sydney Smith HS who would love to have a go at it .. and probably have more coaching qualifications that Radford .....
B, His record is shocking, that alone should F Him off instantly..
C, Radford is pig headed, we all know that, he hasn't the backbone to walk because his own pride will be too much for him ..
6, when the going gets tough, who does Radford turn to for advice ?? Jesus his backroom staff is hardly littered with WCC experience or
Ok i am sorry for my rant everyone but right now the club is in a serious place , and it will get worse when we loose to HKR at the weekend ,
You know we have no right to be a success, but we do have the right as paying customers to expect at the very least the owner shows some respect to the fan-base from whom he takes cash weekly,
The people who buy season tickets deserve a lot more than this , as does the history of the club
This anniversary year will be remembered for one thing ....the year we went down to the championship if things dont change,
Mr Pearson, you can put spin on it all you wish and be just as stubborn as radford is BUT you cannot fool the people of Hull, we know a sinking ship when we see it, and we don't suffer fools gladly.... You and your coach are making monkeys out of the season ticket holders and their support for you , so FFS grow a set and deal with it, its not Pearson's or Radfords fault they aren't experienced enough at running a RL club, but that fact remains a fact
inexperience will damage our great club immeasurably if you do not do something soon, very soon
I feel so sorry for those whom fork out serious amounts of money to buy season tickets to watch the drivel I have witnessed this season so far ...
Its not knee jerk reaction its simply facts , something neither Radford or his boss seem to understand..
You loose the support of the fans this time around and i am afraid the club will have lost it for good, too many false dawns and promises for my liking
sorry to board users i just had to get that off my chest .... even though i am flying over for the weekends match
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| Quote ="R_Tomlinson"indeed, do you want a lift to Dewsbury next season, or are you going on the Radford Cloud?
seriously, FC are just about knackered, you can support your friend, devotion is admirable, but unfortunately he has no chance, he simply isn't up to the job.'"
Friend? I don't know him.
Again, another fool thinking that because i'm not supporting their forum campaign of utter doom, it somehow means i'm happy and content with things at the club. I think some of you need to grow up a little.
Funny that not half an hour ago you were accusing me of being misguided and deluded.
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| Quote ="FCFALERNA"Well i had to take this chance to give you my first ever post on here.
I have read this thread and wonder what some people are watching ??
I came over as i do every three weeks to see family and so on , and always when i do it is as a good excuse to dump the wife shopping with the girls and so me and my boy can go and watch FC
Well as a man who has watched FC for some 56 years , I can truthfully say I have no idea where any positive thoughts can be gleaned from FC presently...
Yes we have looked worse than this but not for a very very long time..
Reality check
1, who cares if we have a successful shop or not
2, who cares about the community work , the real community work is giving the community whom follow FC something to follow nothing else is required ...
3, Whats the point in developing all these new training areas when clearly they are having no effect what so ever, looks to me the way some are blowing by half time that a few runs on the beach is all that's required.
4, The owner ?? Phooey !! If he is half the man his record shows him to be he will be howling at the moon having made such a stupid and calculated bunch of comments about Radford and his security ..
5, Lee Radford : Came to us a player with a massive bag of medals to his name, and a reputation of a no nonsense player BUT what else is he,
A , his CV as a coach is shocking, are we really aspiring to be coached by an amateur coach at best ?? if so i believe Neil at Hewarth is doing ok at present shall we give him a run too for a few years FFS he will be even cheaper than Radford, or there is bound to be a decent PE teacher at Sydney Smith HS who would love to have a go at it .. and probably have more coaching qualifications that Radford .....
B, His record is shocking, that alone should F Him off instantly..
C, Radford is pig headed, we all know that, he hasn't the backbone to walk because his own pride will be too much for him ..
6, when the going gets tough, who does Radford turn to for advice ?? Jesus his backroom staff is hardly littered with WCC experience or
Ok i am sorry for my rant everyone but right now the club is in a serious place , and it will get worse when we loose to HKR at the weekend ,
You know we have no right to be a success, but we do have the right as paying customers to expect at the very least the owner shows some respect to the fan-base from whom he takes cash weekly,
The people who buy season tickets deserve a lot more than this , as does the history of the club
This anniversary year will be remembered for one thing ....the year we went down to the championship if things dont change,
Mr Pearson, you can put spin on it all you wish and be just as stubborn as radford is BUT you cannot fool the people of Hull, we know a sinking ship when we see it, and we don't suffer fools gladly.... You and your coach are making monkeys out of the season ticket holders and their support for you , so FFS grow a set and deal with it, its not Pearson's or Radfords fault they aren't experienced enough at running a RL club, but that fact remains a fact
inexperience will damage our great club immeasurably if you do not do something soon, very soon
I feel so sorry for those whom fork out serious amounts of money to buy season tickets to watch the drivel I have witnessed this season so far ...
Its not knee jerk reaction its simply facts , something neither Radford or his boss seem to understand..
You loose the support of the fans this time around and i am afraid the club will have lost it for good, too many false dawns and promises for my liking
sorry to board users i just had to get that off my chest .... even though i am flying over for the weekends match'"
you don't go every week, you have made a life outside of Hull, how very dare you, you should be working at Cranswick Foods and and living on Hessle Road.....
1865 a case in point(less)
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| Quote ="R_Tomlinson"you don't go every week, you have made a life outside of Hull, how very dare you, you should be working at Cranswick Foods and and living on Hessle Road.....
1865 a case in point(less)'"
i was born and raised on Hessle road... but all joking asideI do feel terribly for those whom followed Pearsons war cry and bought their tickets to support his vision ...only to find Pearson needs contact lenses because his vision is far from 20 20
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| Quote ="R_Tomlinson"you don't go every week, you have made a life outside of Hull, how very dare you, you should be working at Cranswick Foods and and living on Hessle Road.....
1865 a case in point(less)'"
Stay classy Stan.... er Mr. Tomlinson.
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| Someone said sat near me last match, "what a sad day we have when we can see the chairman of HKR has got it all worked out for once and is looking across the city with a wide grin working out which players he wants when Hull go down"
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| Quote ="FCFALERNA"i was born and raised on Hessle road... but all joking asideI do feel terribly for those whom followed Pearsons war cry and bought their tickets to support his vision ...only to find Pearson needs contact lenses because his vision is far from 20 20'"
I don't doubt his ambition, I just think he's not getting the right advice. Hopefully the situation can be rectified, fingers crossed.
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| Quote ="R_Tomlinson"I don't doubt his ambition, I just think he's not getting the right advice. Hopefully the situation can be rectified, fingers crossed.'"
I completely agree, I am sure he went into this wanting to walk out at wembley and enjoy all the trappings of success as much as players do, but his inability to show the fans he is reacting is worrying, I dont want Radford fired not for one minute, but i do think we need someone with experience brought in with him, Love him or hate him Noble knows radford inside out so would know how to guide him, the NRL isnt the answer in my book but there are people we should be talking to,
Also again I have to say the undercard on the bill is just shocking for a club with ambition dont you agree???
Cmon, Horne is not the answer for this , There is so many good people out there surely with much more experience who would love a crack at a job as big as hull FC, and below Horne well the list is silly to be honest
the more i think of our undercard "experience" the more i can clearly see the issue
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| Also please understand i am not saying Radford and Horne were not great clubmen, that much is certain but as coaches on occasion one comes along that simply has the goods already and it clicks for them like Anderson etc but if truth be known working their apprenticeship under a good coach has to be the way forwards, but what is say Horne learning from radford??? sweet FA
FC is quick becoming a job for the boys scenario isnt it ..... whats next Yeaman as conditioner
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| Quote ="FCFALERNA"Also please understand i am not saying Radford and Horne were not great clubmen, that much is certain but as coaches on occasion one comes along that simply has the goods already and it clicks for them like Anderson etc but if truth be known working their apprenticeship under a good coach has to be the way forwards, but what is say Horne learning from radford??? sweet FA
FC is quick becoming a job for the boys scenario isnt it ..... whats next Yeaman as conditioner'"
being loyal clubmen is one thing, I could be a great butcher, it doesn't make me a surgeon.
FC need a huge injection of professionalism, not happening any time soon.
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| Quote ="fcandy"We all know the multitude of problems Hull FC has had since 2007, Wilf superbly summarised them in the latest diary. It appears the club as well as fans moral has hit its lowest point in a very long time. At times like this we must seek out positives in order to give us some hope that things can get better for the club we all love.
Here is my attempt at a list of positives about the club that I hope people can add too in a constructive way to show that we have it better as fans than many other clubs in RL, even within SL itself.
• The club has a loyal and large fan base.
• We are financially stable.
• We have an owner that is open, honest and willing to invest.
• We are only a derby win a way from being in the top 8.
• Only once this season have we not been in with a shot of winning the game. Are we really as far away to the other clubs as it appears at the moment?
• Our U19's squad is as good as any other in SL clubs.
• We play in one of the best stadiums in the league.
• We have a club that is engaged with the community in many ways.
• We have a successful retail department.'"
While I appreciate you are trying to lighten the mood and give a bit of optimism:
Our loyal and large fan base is arguably out biggest asset, but even that has dwindled by approx 2.5k on average since 2010
We are not financially stable and have made heavy losses in recent years. The new SKY deal and 3 extra home games (providing we make the may turn that around, but its not guaranteed.
Our owner talks a good game but has so far failed to deliver, I'm still waiting for the team of internationals and top4 rugby he promised to arrive
Yes, we are technically only one win from a playoff position, and overall the quality of the league seems down in recent years, but experience tells us that a team that has only posted back to back wins once in the Radford era won't make it.
Our U19s squad is currently getting good results, but until we see this consistenly for a few years we can't tell if this is just a blip. And even the best youth teams only produce a few players who make it to be SL players, we can't expect the youth team to solve all our problems.
We may play in the best ground in the league, but it is increasingly empty, and a dark Allam cloud hangs over it and it is likely we'll be only using 2 or 3 stands next season.
I do however agree that our community work and retail side of the business is better than most, unfortunately you don't get points on the league table for that though
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| Quote ="R_Tomlinson"being loyal clubmen is one thing, I could be a great butcher, it doesn't make me a surgeon.
FC need a huge injection of professionalism, not happening any time soon.'"
I agree 100% That is my sentiment completely..
its not the professionalism thats worrying,
this is what worries me most..
Yeaman (no not a knock yeaman area but a fact) is almost non effective in the games i have seen this season and most of last, he is done in my opinion, he still throws in the odd massive shunt that makes everyone jump to their feet however the truth is that is rare!
He has been a great servant that is also clear but its time to give him a rest and bring someone else in because clearly it just isnt there any more, hes a centre FFS and we have 5 forwards who are faster than he is , 99% of the squad better passers and no one but the customers can see this and that baffles me , worries me and is a typical issue right now at FC
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| Quote ="hull2524"cant we have a negative thread so you can all post there
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