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| Quote ="meatpaste"Standee
See you're 'popular' with your comrades.Maybe you should change your name to Marmite.
I wouldn't mind.'"
Some people like marmite.
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"Crooks is way better at the moment, the evidence is clear to see on the pitch.
The problem some have is emotional attachment to certain players. Yeaman is a decent player, but not the player some would like to make out. You cannot argue with his defensive qualities, but no one is arguing that. The point if the thread is that a player with 12 years experience STILL cannot draw a defender and utilise supporting players.
Arundal had a poor start to his Hull career, but the signs were there to see that he was definitely going in the right direction. His performance at Salford, prior to his injury was very good.
[u[iIf there is to be genuine competition for places, then errors like Yeamans have to be put under the microscope.[/i[/u'"
Nobody is disputing the fact that there should be competition for places. However, 18 pages of fans opinions is not going to make one jot of difference to PG's thinking, however important posters think their views are.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"I've no problem with people criticising Kirk, it's just the aggressive tone some people use. There's a fine line between critiquing, like you are, and just blatantly slagging someone off as others are.
There's a wider issue around some of our fans and an almost pre-meditated opinion on some of our players going both ways. Westerman gets some shocking treatment from some of our fans, at the other end of the scale is Whiting, who can never do wrong.'"
Completely agree.
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| Quote ="GM1"Am I missing something? What is all this talk about Yeaman covering Briscoe's defensive duties all night?'"
Briscoe picked up a couple of knocks and should have been replaced by rights.
But with Green and O'Meley unable to return we didn't have options.
Yeaman was trying to limit Briscoe being exposed and i think this was the reason Leeds made the break between him and Ellis for their try. Yeaman makes a dash to his left but when realising the pass wasn't made he tried to step back to his right and slipped missing the tackle in the process.
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| Quote ="Chris28"And while it was a shocker of a pass (and too late), if Pitts had picked it up, or hacked it through and dived on it, we wouldn't have 17/18 pages of discussion about it.'"
I posted a similar sentiment on page 4, but i suppose if Yeamo had stepped inside and died with the ball then people would be happier ...not me i would rather see an attempt to promote some positive and exciting play.
I've been a critic for years of him not putting his winger away. This time he tried to keep the move going once he knew he was not going to make it on his own, it didn't work, but this is how i want to see us playing, with some flair and confidence.
Do we want 80% performances and leeping it safe, or do we want them team to push themselves, try things and create some memories.
With the first you get the Agar era, with the second you get some errors but you also get some amazing tries
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| Quote ="FrEaK-HullFC"I posted a similar sentiment on page 4, but i suppose if Yeamo had stepped inside and died with the ball then people would be happier ...not me i would rather see an attempt to promote some positive and exciting play.
I've been a critic for years of him not putting his winger away. This time he tried to keep the move going once he knew he was not going to make it on his own, it didn't work, but this is how i want to see us playing, with some flair and confidence.
Do we want 80% performances and leeping it safe, or do we want them team to push themselves, try things and create some memories.
With the first you get the Agar era, with the second you get some errors but you also get some amazing tries'"
He didn't have to try and make it on his own.
He had broke through and the simple thing to do would be to draw the full back and put one of the supporting players on the inside over for a try.
Nothing to do with playing with flair and confidence. That he showed when making the break.
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| Quote ="Standee"=#0000FFAh right, I've never seen the "run away from the support and throw a pass over your head in panic when you realise you're not going to make it" drill.
and I don't think I would if I went to every home game for 100 years.
anyway, Catalans next week, I hope Yeaman proves me to be wrong and has the game of the season.'"
No, but there is a 'catch the ball around your ankles whilst on the move' one.
Not that I'm personally going to criticise Pitts for it, but it was an error, and one that we do have a practice drill for, so it was a valid point.
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| Quote ="Whiting"It's harsh to call him greedy and to state he wanted all the glory for himself, he is not that kind of player. I genuinely believe he isn't skillful enough for when in that position to do the right thing'"
This. It's a been a weakness in his game throughout his career, but I've always thought it's more about the incorrect reading of the situation rather than making the wrong choice (either intentionally or not).
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| Quote ="I, on another thread,"With Yeaman, I think people are going a bit OTT for tonight. Yes, he should have passed, and yes, it was his miss for the try, but people should bear in mind that he was carrying the vast majority of Briscoe's defensive and bringing the ball out work for 60 minutes. People make the case that Briscoe struggles because he doesn't have a good centre, but nobody's made the reverse point for Yeaman tonight. He played that centre/wing practically on his own for an hour and conceded only 6 points, that's some going in my book.
Not having a good season, but has been better since coming back from injury than he was at the start of the season.'"
Think this is more appropriate in here.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"No, but there is a 'catch the ball around your ankles whilst on the move' one.
Not that I'm personally going to criticise Pitts for it, but it was an error, and one that we do have a practice drill for, so it was a valid point.'"
Does the drill include the ball getting to you on the bounce?
I wouldn't have expected anyone to pick that up TBH. It would have been a miracle take. What I would say is that Pitts would have been better off hacking it forward rather than trying to pick it up.
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| Quote ="Hessle Roader"Nobody is disputing the fact that there should be competition for places. However, 18 pages of fans opinions is not going to make one jot of difference to PG's thinking, however important posters think their views are.'"
....and there we all were thinking that the coaching staff logged onto here every morning and changed their regime accordingly.
Thanks (!) for clearing that up for us Hessle Roader! I was wondering where my pay cheque was!
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| Quote ="Kosh"Does the drill include the ball getting to you on the bounce?
I wouldn't have expected anyone to pick that up TBH. It would have been a miracle take. What I would say is that Pitts would have been better off hacking it forward rather than trying to pick it up.'"
As you say, it was a pretty much an impossible take from a lob, rather than a pass. Those saying Pitts should have taken it are just been plain daft imo.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Does the drill include the ball getting to you on the bounce?
I wouldn't have expected anyone to pick that up TBH. It would have been a miracle take. What I would say is that Pitts would have been better off hacking it forward rather than trying to pick it up.'"
The ball was just below Pitts' knee, same position as Westerman's and Pitts had far more time to react. I'm disappointed that Pitts didn't still convert the chance, as Pitts is, I'm sure.
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| Quote ="Bal"As you say, it was a pretty much an impossible take from a lob, rather than a pass. Those saying Pitts should have taken it are just been plain daft imo.'"
You really need to look again, a professional player should take that more often than not, as Westy proved.
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| Quote ="Hessle Roader"Nobody is disputing the fact that there should be competition for places. However, 18 pages of fans opinions is not going to make one jot of difference to PG's thinking, however important posters think their views are.'"
Well, you could put that against most threads. And with that attitude / point of view it begs the question of whats the point in a message forum?
If your not disputing the competition for places issue, I cannot understand your opposition to a thread about an experienced player not being able to use the experience. Thankfully it didnt cost us the game. They say players learn by their mistakes. Well, how many chances is one player going to be given?
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| Quote ="Kosh"Does the drill include the ball getting to you on the bounce?
I wouldn't have expected anyone to pick that up TBH. It would have been a miracle take. What I would say is that Pitts would have been better off hacking it forward rather than trying to pick it up.'"
My view of it was that it didn't bounce until after he got hands to it. The drill is pretty much the kind of ball he received, just slower. They plop the ball around shin/ankle level as players run past.
I did actually say that I wouldn't criticise him for it, as I do think that it was a very difficult take. Not impossible though, so it's not wrong to say that he also made an error, it was just more understandable and shouldn't really have been necessary as the pass should have been both earlier and better.
I do agree with east hull fc fan and others about the level of criticism being thrown at Yeaman over this, though. I don't think enough people are being fair and giving him credit for what a good game he actually had overall, and especially with the additional responsibility/difficulty Briscoe's injury caused him.
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"Well, you could put that against most threads. And with that attitude / point of view it begs the question of whats the point in a message forum?
If your not disputing the competition for places issue, I cannot understand your opposition to a thread about an experienced player not being able to use the experience. Thankfully it didnt cost us the game. They say players learn by their mistakes. Well, how many chances is one player going to be given?'"
I give up. I'll maybe come back when it reach 100 pages.
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| It's easier to catch a ball around your ankles if you're expecting it to be delivered around your ankles. Like when you're doing the 'catch a ball around your ankles' drill.
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| If we drop Yeaman for Arundel we lose a lot in defence and probably get no real gain in attack.
I don't even think Yeaman is out of form, his defence has been very good as usual and we don't tend to use our left as much anymore so it's obvious his try tally will diminish.
Yeaman isn't the best centre in the league, but he's better than most.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"It's easier to catch a ball around your ankles if you're expecting it to be delivered around your ankles. Like when you're doing the 'catch a ball around your ankles' drill.'"
What a rubbish excuse that is.
I'd expect goal kicking in training is a lot easier for Holdsworth too.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"What a rubbish excuse that is.
I'd expect goal kicking in training is a lot easier for Holdsworth too.'"
You can be quite silly sometimes.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"It's easier to catch a ball around your ankles if you're expecting it to be delivered around your ankles. Like when you're doing the 'catch a ball around your ankles' drill.'"
Of course it is. Pretty much everything is easier in a practice situation than a game. The reason that techniques are practiced is still with the aim of improving their execution in a game though.
I'll reiterate that I personally don't blame Pitts for not taking that ball, but I don't think your above comment really has a point.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"Of course it is. Pretty much everything is easier in a practice situation than a game. The reason that techniques are practiced is still with the aim of improving their execution in a game though.
I'll reiterate that I personally don't blame Pitts for not taking that ball, but I don't think your above comment really has a point.'"
The point is that one poster is saying that Pitts should have been expected to take the 'pass' because the team practise the technique in a training drill. This is obviously nonsense. The drill is practised to increase the chances that a player might collect a pass that is extremely difficult to take. This does not mean that a player can be 'expected' to take an ankle-height ball in the same way as they do when they're doing a training drill where they know such a pass is on the way.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"The point is that one poster is saying that Pitts should have been expected to take the 'pass' because the team practise the technique in a training drill. This is obviously nonsense. The drill is practised to increase the chances that a player might collect a pass that is extremely difficult to take. This does not mean that a player can be 'expected' to take an ankle-height ball in the same way as they do when they're doing a training drill where they know such a pass is on the way.'"
I reckon Whiting would have took it, no problem.
What do you think RGX ?
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| Quote ="WIZEB"I reckon Whiting would have took it, no problem.
What do you think RGX ?
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Without question. And if he'd have been in Yeaman's position, he'd have easily have had the pace to score.
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