Exactly this, we can't be accepting mediocracy, maybe Lane had a better game than a few games last season, but he was still average at best, granted he made a lot of tackles against Warrington (mainly as he played hooker for a spell), but as you say, was responsible for the first try, in which he was tackling a 19 year old halfback. I want more from our forwards than a few tackles too, I want them to be making makes, making meters after contact and offloading, he has done none of these this season. Both him and Ockunbor are under pressure to perform.

People are saying that they're entitled to an opinion, and that's quite true. However Tony Smith is also entitled to an opinion and with all due respect his opinion is worth more than anyone on here.

Unfortunately Smith cam only pick a side from what he available, as it stands Lane will play, hopefully when we get some bodies back then Lane will be a squad player and gets in his he earms it based on performance.

Absolutely.

I would love to sit down with him and discuss what he sees and what he knows.

We don’t see players day in day out at training.

But I stand by the errors I have pointed out and my opinion that it is not good enough.

A couple of fans have said that he has been good in their opinion but that is being very generous as far as I’m concerned.

I have found myself being pretty critical of Lane, and it is justified in my opinion. He really hasn't kicked on from the promise he showed when he broke through, if anything he has regressed pretty badly. He made 50+ tackles on Friday, granted, but was at fault for two try's, and unfortunately that is a common theme for him. He is far too weak, and with being at the risk of been a bit brutal, is Championship fodder. Would much rather Staveley/Severs get a chance to show their worth.

But, what I will say about Lane, is that he is another example of the utterly shocking contracts we have handed out over recent seasons. For that the club only has itself to blame.

Walker
Russell
Mac
Litten
Martin
Hoy
Smith
Ashworth
Brown
J Brown
Sao
Oku
Staverly
Subs
Bullock
Gardiner
Houghton
Lane

Very well put

Quote ="HU8HFC"I have found myself being pretty critical of Lane, and it is justified in my opinion. He really hasn't kicked on from the promise he showed when he broke through, if anything he has regressed pretty badly. He made 50+ tackles on Friday, granted, but was at fault for two try's, and unfortunately that is a common theme for him. He is far too weak, and with being at the risk of been a bit brutal, is Championship fodder. Would much rather Staveley/Severs get a chance to show their worth. But, what I will say about Lane, is that he is another example of the utterly shocking contracts we have handed out over recent seasons. For that the club only has itself to blame.'" With hindsight. His extension was announced 2 years ago today, and a lot can change it that time. The initial reaction was positive on here, so it wasn’t an obvious ‘WTF?’ moment. viewtopic.php?f=34&t=637571

Quote ="HU8HFC"I have found myself being pretty critical of Lane, and it is justified in my opinion. He really hasn't kicked on from the promise he showed when he broke through, if anything he has regressed pretty badly. He made 50+ tackles on Friday, granted, but was at fault for two try's, and unfortunately that is a common theme for him. He is far too weak, and with being at the risk of been a bit brutal, is Championship fodder. Would much rather Staveley/Severs get a chance to show their worth. But, what I will say about Lane, is that he is another example of the utterly shocking contracts we have handed out over recent seasons. For that the club only has itself to blame.'" With hindsight. His extension was announced 2 years ago today, and a lot can change it that time. The initial reaction was positive on here, so it wasn’t an obvious ‘WTF?’ moment. viewtopic.php?f=34&t=637571

Quote ="Mild Rover"With hindsight. His extension was announced 2 years ago today, and a lot can change it that time. The initial reaction was positive on here, so it wasn’t an obvious ‘WTF?’ moment. viewtopic.php?f=34&t=637571'" rotten sod fancy digging that up

Quote ="Mild Rover"With hindsight. His extension was announced 2 years ago today, and a lot can change it that time. The initial reaction was positive on here, so it wasn’t an obvious ‘WTF?’ moment. viewtopic.php?f=34&t=637571'" rotten sod fancy digging that up

Not a bad shout, though I'd like to see Balmforth on the bench in place of Lane, should Houghton be passed fit he could go to 13 and Staveley in 2nd row with Sao moving to the front row. Also would give us the option of bringing Balmforth on and moving Brown to 13 to limit Houghtons minutes if possible.

Especialy Ockunbor
starting to look like another Kane Evans

Errors are only one part of the on field indicipline
Penalties and six agains are far higher on the list.
I have said this several times before but how many times do we finish a set in the opposition 10/20 then give away a penalty on the first or second tackle,then a six again or repeated six again followed by a try.
Our on field indiscipline is shocking and Smith has to take the blame for that as the coach.In fact looking at last season the indiscipline under Smith its getting worse.
Fans keep bleatiing on about how badly we are treated by referees and the disiplinary panel but Brown apart we have only ourselves to blame.
Until Smith sorts this out it hard to see apart fro London where we can pick up points as even Castleford look a far better team than we do

You was the one was saying we should be patient and give him a chance.

He's played two games in unfamiliar conditions and in a team that's played two halves with twelve men. Let's at least give him until firmer grounds are here.

That makes a lot more sense to me but i still dont think Balmforth is Smiths flavour of the month and will miss out
We will see Sunday

Quote ="Mild Rover"With hindsight. His extension was announced 2 years ago today, and a lot can change it that time. The initial reaction was positive on here, so it wasn’t an obvious ‘WTF?’ moment. https://viewtopic.php?f=34&t=637571'" Thanks for reminding me I once thought he would go on to be captain

Quote ="Mild Rover"With hindsight. His extension was announced 2 years ago today, and a lot can change it that time. The initial reaction was positive on here, so it wasn’t an obvious ‘WTF?’ moment. https://viewtopic.php?f=34&t=637571'" Thanks for reminding me I once thought he would go on to be captain

OK Captain will do
He is not a racehorse who you only run when the ground suits them
from what i have seen he will turn out to be another Kane Evans

The early signs don't look that promising but it's a little unfair to write him off after a couple of games. It must be taken into account the big change in culture both on and off the field for NRL players. Better players than him have struggled to make an immediate impact.

What goes against him is even before he arrived are the comments from the majority of Bulldogs fans when he signed for us.

I fear that you may be right but let him get a few games under his belt before we can judge how good a signing he is.

We had our 5? Most experienced and highest earners missing Friday.
Truman, Carlos,Houghton,Pele,Ese.
6th player okunbor was taken off 2nd half, not sure what happened to him?
Lane, is struggling but so is most of the the squad.
He wasn’t the only player missing tackles, but they did give it a real dig.

We have by far the worst discipline in SL. Getting these players back and improving discipline.
Then lets see how Lane goes.

The clubs social media & coaching staff are happy enough with lane as they posted his Stats..

looks like Houghton is back sunday, really hope Smith keeps Brown at 9 and not moved back to 7


chance that Carlos may play too, but i won't hold my breath!

I appreciate what you’re saying in regards to Lane but in all fairness he has performed poorly for the last couple of seasons. It’s that reason that many have are rightly questioning/criticising him. It was even said by a number of us in the off season that he really needed to hit the ground running if he was in the 17 at the start of the season but he simply hasn’t regardless of anyone else’s performances.

As Bonaire has said many times our discipline has been and continues to be poor, Lane falls into the category of being one of our worst offenders.

Someone mentioned the word scapegoat but that is not something you can really say about Jordan as most comments whilst being critical are based on evidence over the past couple of seasons.
He is no longer a youngster and is now a more senior and experienced figure but for me we haven’t seen anything near the potential he showed when he broke into the first team.

As has been said I think it just shows the incompetence in terms of the contracts handed out in terms of length etc based on no more than average performances.

Expectations have got that low in parts of our fan base now that 'having a dig' is all that matters, you need to have a dig and also have ability... depressing times.

Indeed

Have the Reserves got a game this weekend, as Roman Dawson has put a "Times Ticking" post on Instagram....unless he's playing against london??

Easily done. Pessimism has protected me from it for a while but I was enthused by the signings of Willie Mason and Mike Ratu, which exploded and fizzled out, respectively. Mason was high risk but I still wonder… what if there hadn’t been that constitutional crisis in Tonga?

Who knows, Lane’s form might improve and he might find himself part of a stronger Hull team, next year.

Or even if he gets a few weeks out of the team so fans see it isn’t all his fault.

We all agree lane needs to be moved on. . But he's being picked and doing as much as he can. Of cause having a dig isn't all that matters. But whatever ability you have it's the first thing you need to do on a field. The kid isn't good enough at the top level . But has anybody on here played the game at a decent level?. Because if you have you will know players like him are always valued. It's ok watching it from the stands or in your armchair but it's a hard f ucking game believe me. Maybe why I'm always a more positive poster as I take my hat of to anybody who runs into that pitch