The traditional mid season collapse has started early.

Lets face it we have some very average players who when faced with a bit of adversity throw the towel in.

I don't get the booing of Sneyd at all. Some fans have short memories. He should be applauded for what he's done for us.

We were gash today but as per usual people just try blame same players. Clifford was probably our only decent player on the day and Mcintosh was probably one of our least . Bloke stopped about 4/5 tries and all the breaks were inside of him.

I’m ready to write Evans off, bloke has a peach of an offload but plods the ball up. Just need more.

Jordan Lane wouldn’t get in the wakey side on this seasons showing. They went straight through him for a penalty tap.

Think smith needs to get the hatchet out this season. These players probably need moving on so we can refresh

Evans, houghton, Taylor, Scott, lovodua, griffin, shaul, Dwyer.

I love joeys versatility but quota player needs to be in 13 every week I think

Yeah, Dwyer is class going forward but a liability in D and we just can’t carry him

Cam Scott & Jordan lane have never kicked on from promising 19 year olds. Think the club needs to wonder why no youth hits their potential.

I love Carlos and savelio as players but maybe theyneeds looking at. Hardly on the pitch for 2 years and age is against Carlos

We probably need to try unearth some gems from championship who will be desperate to make it. Far too many players in this side willing to coast.

Performance was awful today and genuinely looked like fash was only one bothered, he looked broken on the side line

Next season we need

2 props
3 back rowers (one superstar)
2 hookers
1 Centre (if we offload Carlos)

And that’s probably bare minimum

A disgusting peformance today, Salford played well but we didnt look up for it from the off and some of the attempted tackles were an absolute joke.

About half the squad can go for me, either too slow, too injury prone or just average in all aspects. I can only hope we do some good scouting and get our recruitment right for 2024.

You've given me an idea for my tea.

2 new wingers too, McIntosh is just average and offers nothing an academy winger couldent offer, Swift always looks one tackle away from an injury layoff and if his wages are high can be better spent elsewhere. Neither were the worst out there today however.

Absolutely correct. The amount that's been invested for years has yielded very little in terms of real quality.

Tbf its too soon to tell with the latest round of investment (Shenton in as coach etc) but it is disapointing that 5 years ago we had a young team running about at Stadium Australia and the future seemed bright, and all theyve turned into is forgettable squad players and a few have retired altogether.

There can and should be no excuses for that embarrassment of a performance. Not taking anything away from Salford but even Wakey would have put a score on against us today. Salford had to do nothing other than run at the gaping holes in our line.
There was no effort, desire or intensity is any aspect of the game today. Passive and abject in defence and not prepared to work hard enough.
Think half a dozen players need to be dropped but who do we have to cover that many drops? Lane, Houghton, Taylor, Lovodua, Evans were abysmal and not far behind Dwyer and Scott. I’ve been critical of McIntosh but to be fair to him today he was much better defensively and not one of the issues today.
I like Lovodua but he hasn’t stepped up and looks less than average along with Evans which is is a big hit in terms of lack of quality in the quota. Houghton & Taylor sadly are finished as top level players.
As for Lane what has happened to him as he looks million miles away from the player that showed a lot of promise. There are players in the championship that would offer more than the ones named above which is telling.
As great s player as Ellis was if he’s the defensive coach then you have to ask what is he doing?
Smith has an awful lot of work on his hands and I’d even say some players need to be moved out with immediate effect.

It felt like the kind of performance that group of players put in to signify they've had enough of a coach and would like a change...surely we're not at that stage in the cycle already

Not d if Lane misses the rest of the season. I wouldn't even subject Newcastle to his abject performances.

Taylor, Houghton, Griffin, Shaul. What's the point. Loads of cap tied up in players past it.

Evans and Lovodua are a waste of a quota spot.

Had big reservations about the Dwyer signing. Reason Leeds went with O'connor instead.

Not d if everyone ooc gets released.

Thought the 2 Aussie boys had a dig, but I'm clutching at straws....

We need what Powell did at Wire last season. Chop and change this season
with heavyinvestment for 24. Not sure if Pearson has the appetite to tear up contracts though.

We have the worst wing combination in the league. Swift is a trier but nothing more and Macintosh is just awful.

The problem with tearing up contracts is they still count on the cap, so we'd end up losing a player and not replacing them. Getting rid of one or two as a statement to the rest could work though, and even just 1 or 2 leaving can alter the dressing room culture.

Lane, Evans and Mcintosh should be no where near the side.

Would rather play Litten, Laidlaw and Staverly.

Evans and Lovodua are such waste of imports.

At least the England Ra-Ra's have come out in sympathy with us.

Didn't think they did now with the cap being live?

I think there's only going to be one winner this time around .

As poor as we were today, I have to say Salford play some really good rugby.
Reckon we will have probably 2 players banned for next week.

New 3 year deals for shaul, Griffin, lane, Taylor, Houghton, lovodua and Evans?

Only 3 years?

Have to say although Hodgson has gone now he has left us with a legacy of poor signings.
I will even add Sutcliffe to the list because he is just average and we need strike centres with pace.
Once Manu Mau was released it was obvious our second row would be a weak link trying to make do with Lane and Griffin whilst Savelio gets fully fit.
We know there should be a major clearout at the end of the season and this should make some of the decisions a lot easier
That said we still have a major recuitment problem for 2024 when we need two big mobile second rows and front rows.at least one strike centre and wing with real pace and thats without knowing whether our two new Australian players will stay.

Salford play a good style and have signed players that complement each other such as Croft does the running which makes up for Sneyd not doing much running (though he looked like Usain Bolt past our snail paced defence) theyve also moved Watkins to 2nd row as he's getting older whereas if he played for us we'd have kept him at centre based on being good there in a cup final 5 years ago...

You all thought Sneyd was the problem and you got your way but leaving Hull was the best thing that ever happened to him. In Salford colours he has earned England recognition and today scored 24 points and had 3 assists. You replaced him with Luke Gale enough said.

Tony Smith said after the Catalans rout that this week he would be working on defence, defence and defence. Good idea Tony but in 3 years at Rovers the defence was no better the day you left than the day you started. Tony had two 11th place finishes at Rovers and I reckon he might get another this year but it could be a tight thing for 11th and 12th between you and Wakefield.

Wakefield at least are battling whereas you lot looked disinterested today. For sure it was the worst performance of any team so far this season. Has Tony demanded a job for his daughter yet?

Sneyd was in a rut and it was best for him and Hull to move on.

And you Robins have short memories, Tony was the toast of East Hull when you were 80mins from Old Trafford and the CC Final. Also one of your 11th place finishes came when Toronto folded and Tony was quite open with the fact he as experimenting with the tactics with no fear of relegation.

Some of the players we had out there today have underperformed under Radford, Last and Hodgson which suggests its not the coach thats the issue.

You must be relieved that lawsuit has been dropped Bob. Well done to your lawyers.

Well this game is gone now, we can't do anything about it. We were a shamble today and that's that.

You can't tell too much about a team with those performances, you can learn more by seeing how they react to those performances. Are they prepared to get up off the floor when they've been hit by a big knockout punch?

I still think Tony got his team selection wrong today. I expected to definitely see Shaul given a go with the amount of first teamers missing from the back division.

I thought Brown last week performed to give him a place in the starting 13. I thought Cator would come back in to the 17, I didn't think Andre had played enough over the past year and half to be in the starting line-up.

He needs to make a choice quickly who his starting hooker is. Is it Houghton? Is it Dwyer? Is it Joey? Pick one and keep him there.

There's no better motivation for a player than challenging yourself against the World Champions. So if we don't get a response, then it could be curtains for us.

Time to stand up and be counted for this team. They owe us a performance.