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| Quote ="Dave K."You have watched Balmforth for 25 minutes in which he carried the ball twice.'"
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| Quote ="Freddie Miller."He is nowhere near the player I watched playing for Parramatta and Tonga but is having a better season this year.'"
Even so, he's still the best player in our squad.
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| Quote ="C for Cuckoo"Quote ="Dave K."You have watched Balmforth for 25 minutes in which he carried the ball twice and made 5 tackles, he is an 18 year old kid playimg bottom of the league in a dominant display. I think you ate getting carried away.
Big risk to no with him and Lovodua (who has hardly played at hooker) next season.
Think we need to either keep Houghton or replace him.
But if he stays he needs resting to get the best out if him.'"
It's easy to get carried away with youngsters. The step from 18 to 20 is hard for any young lad but for a professional athlete a lot can happen in that time. Balmforth looks the real deal but he isn't there yet.
I think having Houghton but spelling him with Balmforth would be ideal. Lovadua (hopefully), MacNamara and Hookem can cover the position.
It'd have to be a big signing to replace Mint, say Brad Dwyer or Sam Powell. I can't see either of them coming to us which means someone from the NRL. That'll be expensive and a risk and it might mean Denive not getting much time on the pitch.
Pragmatically, Houghton goes round again for me.'"
Whilst at times I have been critical of Houghton in the most part its due to the way we flog him for 80mins week in week out thats the issue rather than Houghton himself. I'd give him a 1 year extension with a view to bringing Balmforth through for 2024.
We just need to spell Houghton better in games to get the maximum performances from him as unfortunately father time is catching up with him and 80 mins every week even thiough he can just about make it we don't get the best out of him as an individual or as a team doing so.
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| Quote ="Chris71"Whilst at times I have been critical of Houghton in the most part its due to the way we flog him for 80mins week in week out thats the issue rather than Houghton himself. I'd give him a 1 year extension with a view to bringing Balmforth through for 2024.
We just need to spell Houghton better in games to get the maximum performances from him as unfortunately father time is catching up with him and 80 mins every week even thiough he can just about make it we don't get the best out of him as an individual or as a team doing so.'"
To be fair to Hodgson, I'm sure Lovodua would have played more games at hooker, if it wasn't for our first choice halfbacks either been poor or getting themselves suspended for stupid things.
Not sure we will see that much of Lovodua at hooker this year unfortunately.
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| Quote ="Chris71"Whilst at times I have been critical of Houghton in the most part its due to the way we flog him for 80mins week in week out thats the issue rather than Houghton himself. I'd give him a 1 year extension with a view to bringing Balmforth through for 2024.
We just need to spell Houghton better in games to get the maximum performances from him as unfortunately father time is catching up with him and 80 mins every week even thiough he can just about make it we don't get the best out of him as an individual or as a team doing so.'"
Yeah totally agree if lovaduo was to be given the number 9 shirt next season and made first choice I'd be happy to see Danny given another year deal and be a the interchange hooker but I'd imagine if Danny gets a new deal he would still be first choice getting flogged most games
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| Quote ="C for Cuckoo"It's easy to get carried away with youngsters. The step from 18 to 20 is hard for any young lad but for a professional athlete a lot can happen in that time. Balmforth looks the real deal but he isn't there yet.
I think having Houghton but spelling him with Balmforth would be ideal. Lovadua (hopefully), MacNamara and Hookem can cover the position.
It'd have to be a big signing to replace Mint, say Brad Dwyer or Sam Powell. I can't see either of them coming to us which means someone from the NRL. That'll be expensive and a risk and it might mean Denive not getting much time on the pitch.
Pragmatically, Houghton goes round again for me.'"
Houghton isn't even close to been a top hooker
Wouldnt get in at saints ( roby/lussick )
Wouldnt get in at Wigan ( Powell )
Wouldnt get in at wire ( clark/walker )
Wouldnt get in at catalan ( mcilorum )
Wouldnt get in at cas ( mcshane )
Wouldnt get in at rovers ( parcell/litten )
Wouldnt get in at Leeds ( dwyer/Leeming )
It's only until he finally leaves/retires we will realise how average little he brought
Tackling and the odd good kick that's it
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| Jamie Shaul isn't in the club's OOC list in the HDM. So ... the daily fail can't copy and paste or we've resigned him, or someone else signed him, or he's retiring.
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| Quote ="C for Cuckoo"Or what?'"
Just an alternative list (of all clubs) which shows Shaul out of contract, without the speculation.
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| Quote ="ccs"Just an alternative list (of all clubs) which shows Shaul out of contract, without the speculation.'"
Right. I posted that list in another thread. But as I said he isn't in the list that the Hull Daily Mail posted later on. So ...
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| Quote ="Thetalentboy"Houghton isn't even close to been a top hooker
Wouldnt get in at saints ( roby/lussick )
Wouldnt get in at Wigan ( Powell )
Wouldnt get in at wire ( clark/walker )
Wouldnt get in at catalan ( mcilorum )
Wouldnt get in at cas ( mcshane )
Wouldnt get in at rovers ( parcell/litten )
Wouldnt get in at Leeds ( dwyer/Leeming )
It's only until he finally leaves/retires we will realise how average little he brought
Tackling and the odd good kick that's it'"
3rd choice at Hull too, behind Balmforth who you have watched for 25 minutes right?
Unless we can sign better and a few above are not better than Houghton, both in attack and defence.
He gets another year, but should have pressure from Balmforth and Lovodua, shouldn't be playing 80 minutes.
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| Quote ="Dave K."That's him alright, we win and Jake or Houghton play well, we don't see him, as soon as Connors misses a tackle he starts a thread.
Houghton has a great game against Catalans, out playing Mcilorum who is appartley better than him, did we see him after the game?
Then once he doesn't have answer he just hides for a while and hope you forget.
Reading his posts, I'm sure he goes to the games or even watches them on TV.
We can all be a bit negative on certain topics, but there has to be some positivity in our performances this season surley, some just can't find it.'"
Our best player by a mile against catalan was Lane or mau
They said Houghton 2 assists which was just laughable.. it was a bit of a brilliance by lane and a barnstorming run by satae
Great players like Lovodua, Carlos, mau, Lane get my respect cause they are our best performing players
Houghton passing a ball from dummy half and us scoring isn't out playing anyone
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| Quote ="Thetalentboy"Our best player by a mile against catalan was Lane or mau
They said Houghton 2 assists which was just laughable.. it was a bit of a brilliance by lane and a barnstorming run by satae
Great players like Lovodua, Carlos, mau, Lane get my respect cause they are our best performing players
Houghton passing a ball from dummy half and us scoring isn't out playing anyone'"
Did I say Houghton was out best player against Catalans?
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| Quote ="Dave K."Did I say Houghton was out best player against Catalans?'"
"A great game" so probably
I can't wait until Lovodua go's to hooker or 3/4 years time when Houghton leaves/retires people would of realised how little Houghton brought to the attack
It's frustrating cause with a decent hooker who could attack makes a huge difference
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| Quote ="Thetalentboy"Houghton isn't even close to been a top hooker
Wouldnt get in at saints ( roby/lussick )
Wouldnt get in at Wigan ( Powell )
Wouldnt get in at wire ( clark/walker )
Wouldnt get in at catalan ( mcilorum )
Wouldnt get in at cas ( mcshane )
Wouldnt get in at rovers ( parcell/litten )
Wouldnt get in at Leeds ( dwyer/Leeming )
It's only until he finally leaves/retires we will realise how average little he brought
Tackling and the odd good kick that's it'"
Powell has not outperformed Houghton this season.
McIlorum is a bog standard defensive hooker, everything you deride Houghton for.
McShane is hopelessly out of form this season.
Litten left because he's not good enough to play in front of Houghton.
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| Quote ="Raggytash"Powell has not outperformed Houghton this season.
McIlorum is a bog standard defensive hooker, everything you deride Houghton for.
McShane is hopelessly out of form this season.
Litten left because he's not good enough to play in front of Houghton.'"
So your doubtful if Houghton is better than any of them
And you skipped the rest to obviously 100% agree about the others
Josh Hodgson wasn't "good enough" apparently we kept houghton instead what a decision that turned out eh
you trying to say Houghton is better than Hodgson ..... Wow
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| Quote ="Raggytash"Powell has not outperformed Houghton this season.
McIlorum is a bog standard defensive hooker, everything you deride Houghton for.
McShane is hopelessly out of form this season.
Litten left because he's not good enough to play in front of Houghton.'"
Your first mistake was letting Josh Hodgson go, who went on to have a very good career at a higher level. Mistake repeated by allowing Litten to move on, who from what i have seen has come on leaps and bounds at HKR culminating in his selection for England Knights yesterday. Hull FC supporters obviously see more of Danny Houghton than other RL fans and although he has been a good and loyal player over the past decade he is certainly a 'yesterday man'..
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Your first mistake was letting Josh Hodgson go, who went on to have a very good career at a higher level. Mistake repeated by allowing Litten to move on, who from what i have seen has come on leaps and bounds at HKR culminating in his selection for England Knights yesterday. Hull FC supporters obviously see more of Danny Houghton than other RL fans and although he has been a good and loyal player over the past decade he is certainly a 'yesterday man'..'"
Don’t let England Knights selection fool you.
Everyone gets selected for them at some point
Litten is quick off the mark but makes too many errors to be a top class hooker. He wasn’t going to get much game time with us so it was best for all concerned if he moved on.
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| If Wynne is allowed to leave we'll regret it big time.
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| Hardly surprising Josh Hodgson left, he never played hooker for the 1st team, and managed just 2 bench spots in total in 2009. Berrigan (who left at the end of 2010), Houghton and Tommy Lee were ahead of him.
I've never understood the phrase "letting .... go", when a player is out of contract he can do whatever he wants.
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| While I understand the disappointment people would have should it come down to money RE Wynne, however the club really only has itself to blame.
For quite a while now the club has given out sentimental contracts to players who realistically are been paid more than they are worth. We could now be paying the price and losing out on the homegrown talent we seem to be aspiring towards. It's a short career, if a club is coming in and offering a better wage you can't blame players for having their heads turned. I am however reasonably confident that he will stay.
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| We have an option for another year, so what's the issue?
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