It's more frustration than anything else Dave. I appreciate that we are supporters as well as fans and that financial committment from us contributes to the clubs ability to compete. It's just the acceptance of it by some. It's frustrating. Venting eases the pain a little.

I think we saw yesterday the difference a good full back like Evalds makes to a team.
For me Shaul has not kicked on and his deficiency in the attacking line is so plain to see.
It wont happen but replacing Shaul with an Evalds/Coote type full back would make us a different animal in attack.
agreed Connor would be a better full back option but i like many others want to see him back at right centre.Ratu will also benefit from having Connor back at right centre.

You mentioned this frequently. IMO its without substance and Westerman is actually trying more than most.

Fair post, nobody likes games like yesterday, I still feel the club has a lot more positives then negatives.

Should beat Hudds and then we go to a massive game at Cas.

At least we are involved with big games at the right end if the table.

Who has accepted the poor performances?

Yes, agreed.

2016/17 we had a team capable of beating anyone, it must have been a coaches dream. That team could motivate itself but more importantly to me, implement Radfords' style of coaching and game plan. Big men across the park to steam roller over the opposition. Not saying we didn't turn in an abject performance now and then though.
2018/19 older squad, couple of the stars missing, no real quality in recruitment and we struggle with Radfords game plan as we have no size or speed or alternative way or style of playing, 2nd half at Catalan aside.
Next season the recruitment is exciting and again building a team in the mould Radford likes. Big blokes across the park once more.
I'm sure we'll see an upturn in performance next season but I think that'll be down to the quality recruited and not the quality of coaching.
Salford and London play a more entertaining type of rugby than us with far less resources and maintain a never say die attitude, sadly something we lack now.
Due to the ongoing issues we have season after season still not being rectified I'd look to replace the coaching team.

And before you guys who won't have a bad word said against the club or coach jump down my throat remember this is my opinion on a discussion forum.

spot on

I thought that when we played them at magic, see what happened there, record magic defeat.

I also thought we'd win last night.

I do however think we'll see a reaction against Hudds and beat them.

You often appear to me, like the young boy in the other room, who constantly shouts the same thing until an adult takes notice. You assassinated Yeahman, then Connor and Griffin at least now your hatred of centres has moved to fullback. The pack aren’t giving the backs a platform to play. Yesterday’s first half they did and we scored 16 unanswered points but mistakes killed us in the second. I’m not happy with the situation the club is in but to constantly harp on about 1 player is simply not on. I agree we need coaching changes and suggested in another thread some time ago that if Watson could be prised from Salford and would work alongside Radford that would make us world beaters but as someone else posted earlier, unless you’ve got a couple of million to spare, you’ll have to put up with it.

Looking at the way Carlos went off, he may be a doubt.

Why?
Is he having a hair cut.

looking at hastings yesterday,thats the role connor should be playing for hull,he has the talent,he now needs to make his presence felt on the pitch.great players control a game,he needs to grow up a bit and stop winding people up and argueing with refs.wether he has the talent to grow in stature on the field and become the player I think he is capable of is open to question.

When i see deficiencies in players or in the coach i will comment as this is what discussion boards are about.
Yeaman is very old ground but was stealing a living from the club and should have been released but kept on too long by Radford very similar to the Mini and Manu situation,and then was then given a role at the club which he had no experience at all.There is no room for sentiment in sport or Business.
Connor has thrown his dummy out and been moved around doesnt help his game.You will see in my messages i want to see him back in the centre with Ratu even though he would make a much better full back than Shaul.
Griffin i have criticised as i dont think he is a good centre.he is now 29,has never been anywhere near an England call up so i cant be the only one who doesnt rate him as a centre. He has had a decent season but i have said previously several times he would make a better second row only for others on here to scoff at the idea yet Radford will move him into the second row next season so i think i am correct on this one.
I like jamie Shaul but just feel he is not kicking on in the full back position.he should be working his socks off on timing linking into the line and finding a pass but has stagnated.He also loses concentration at times around the play the ball and is not alert to an offload of loose ball.
Would be very happy if we could have a full back like Evalds
You have to wonder what coaches like Watson would be able to do with the budget and backing that Radford has but regretfully Radford wont be going anywhere else soon

Watson has Hastings, probably the best player in SL at the moment.

Exceptional players is key positions make all the difference, a bit like how Warrington rely heavily on Austin.

I wonder how we would have fared if Kelly had played and was firing on all cylinders?

Hastings is by far the best player in super league (should really be going back to the NRL) he's magical the glue that holds everything together and dictates all the plays demands 100% from himself and everyone else, non negotiable, He's a winner and the single reason Wigan will sweep the board next season hopefully doing it for us first.

I reckon with your signings next season if you had signed JH you would be in with a shout of the big prize.

Now please don't take this the wrong way it's not meant to offend, but of all the things I've just said about Jacko look who you've got in the same position. (I don't want to diss the lad I like him he came through our system) but in RL terms Hull are a big club and when we sold him to you he was our fourth choice half back that's why we loaned him out to Cas for the season before, to date he's still your first choice halfback. I remember Koukash rubbing his hands when you came in with a big cheque for him he couldn't believe his luck. Sneyd is seven he should be running the show tbh other than his very good kicking game I fail to see what else he offers, and without a running organising 7 it doesn't matter how good your team is if no one is pulling the strings. actually he reminds me of another player that played for us that little playing for Leeds he will never worry any quality.

Maybe you need someone like Catalans signing Jimmy Maloney and then it might come together as it seems Radders is your man as long as Pearson is there !!

You played well on Saturday, and Hastings had a field day, no problem.

But it’s Salford who needs a new half I believe next season, this year I believe it’s 2-1 in our favour, and we’re content with our double Lance Todd trophy winner. If we can’t win the big prize, then I hope Salford can, I say that with respect, and without the need or class to attack any of your players.

Look I thought I said I liked the guy personally I didn't attack him I merely pointed out his deficiencies of which there are plenty, my point being as a big club maybe Hull need a better half , but if your ok with Sneyd then fair enough. As for us needing a new half there's nothing new in that we need a new second rower to replace Josh Jones as well as replacing Bibby/Griffin/Olpherts/Lui/Gleeson and others this happens every year, but I'm sure Watto will again turn a sows ear into a silk purse, just look at Tui Lolohea washed up at Leeds and already purring like a sports car.

Anyway good luck.

Exactly look at Lolohea, didn’t work for Leeds, but he suits you guys, you see we’re I’m going with this.

And good luck to Salford in the run in, if there’s one club who has come through adversity in past seasons and come out looking good it’s the reds.

.... IMO

The Salford fan was merely giving his opinion on Sneyd that's all, no malice or animosity towards him, our club or any other fan and then you come out with that, rubbing it in his face about victories and Lance Todd trophy wins.
It was you who was the aggressor and needs to learn some respect and class, not the Salford guy.
No need to be so defensive, protective and petty just because his opinion of Sneyd differs to yours.

I have to disagree about Sneyd, as long as he has a runner with him he is a very good halfback, he actually has improved his passing game this year and has set up far more trys this year with that part of his game. Also a big game player, as he has shown on many many occasions, he isn't in Hastings league, but who is, SL are fortunate to have him and he won't be here much longer. I wouldn't swap Sneyd for many other halfs in the league (If any, as we could have him for the 10 years compared to the likes of Austin or Hastings).

Probably in our top 3 players this year, but behind a beaten pack he will struggle, even then he can pull out a bit of magic like the 2016 cup final to get us back in the game.

Well done on Saturday and the season, just hope ypu can keep the it going next year, when some players move on.

Thankfully I was still enjoying the last day of my holiday so didn't have to witness yet another spineless capitulation by this so called team. Thank god we won't have the likes of green, litten, hadley manu and mini serving up dross like that again next year

And to be fair we didn't on Saturday either and that didn't make a blind bit of difference. Its a concern that these performances will still be happening no matter what the 17 is next year as non of the issues seem to be getting rectified in terms other than personnel.

We still such poor ball control, poor discipline, lack of desire to meet the opposition in defence from the ptb, static in attack, very little running on to ball (though we did it a few times and scored, then didn't bother) our last play options are poor the majority of the time, rely on the kick to the corner by Sneyd way too much so its too easy to defend as the opposition know whats coming.
Admittedly since Kelly has been out at least Sneyd has been running and taking the line more.

Yet again there's a piece in the HDM from DH pretty much saying the rhetoric and regurgitated flannel from the past season or two after these diabolical performances.

Stop pinching my lines, you little stalker you