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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"So who then because we are all full of these changes in mind, but nobody is saying who? & every coach or player we've had has been slagged or made felt aware he's no good for our so called massive club that deserves to win everything on offer, not the fact we are in a healthy competition with other clubs able to spend the same salary, so gone are the days when we say " we should be hammering these" "because we are hull FC"'"
paul rowley would be a decent shout, otherwise look to oz. I don;t have a clue who is available but it wouldn't be hard to find one better than radford
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| Quote ="WormInHand"I honestly think it's becoming a cost issue - I think Pearson's reaching the bottom of his purse.
Heard a rumour last night that Mally Walker has sold Victoria Plumb. The obvious jump from this to Hull FC was also mooted. Perhaps this is why we appear to be seeing no action from Adam despite the pressure to do so?'"
He raised a load of finance last year through some american hedge fund or something to fund expansion. Don't think he he has sold it and doubt he'll ever put his money into the club
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| Quote ="Diogenes"I don't expect us to win everything or indeed anything. I would settle for being able to watch some enterprising, entertaining rugby, to enjoy the match rather than feeling frustrated and disappointed. I can take a defeat as long as the team give it their all and compete, such as in the home game against Wire this season.'"
Let's face it we wanted 2 new halfbacks for 2015, we've got them, we still need them to string some games together with our chosen spine, we have no cover for when this doesn't happen, other teams have other options with either several players who can play in these pivotal roles, or the top teams have the youth players to step in or even be first choice, we or the other clubs that don't have this to fall back on will always be outside the top four, our system is up & running but is going to take time, Rome wasn't built in a day...as the saying goes. The team we have has no players other then Ellis & mini to make us play with the never give up attitude, but slowly it is creeping into the squad, as last night showed to come back, although some will say well it's only Salfords a team.
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| Quote ="weaver93"My suggestion would be an attack coach to assist Radford,
or a proven Head Coach to replace him?'"
This would be my option.
What I cannot get my head round is how Wigan and Leeds in particular are able to play such expansive rugby, because I don't believe that comes from Wane or McDermott?
If that is the case, then is has to come from either an 'attacking coach' or the senior players?
Take Leeds, who dictates the play on the pitch - Sinfield all day long for me (in recent years), I wouldn't be surprised if he is directly involved in training in terms of attacking ideas and plays?
So if we haven't got an attacking coach, then surely someone like Pryce could bring a lot to the table in terms of ideas and suggestions? Is he not doing this? Or is he not being allowed too by LR? (my way or the highway).
Cannot expect a lump like Lee Radford to suddenly come up with a master attacking playbook? He wasn't that type of player. The good things FC do are all typical of LR, but good coaches have more in the locker than just getting the team to work hard, they are students of the game, they adapt to change, not afraid to try new things, and listen to advice.
I see none of this at FC.
If you watch all the top teams, particularly when attacking the near the line, the scrum half or stand off is at first or second receiver at the play of the ball EVERY time, demanding the ball, directing the team, calling the shots, making the decisions and ultimately calling the plays?
I don't see that here, most of the time its a final front or second row carry and charge.
So either the players are incapable (not good enough) or being told not too and dare not suggest different?
I think Sneyd and Pryce need more freedom to express themselves and Pryce in particular should be advising LR - maybe his and we are still turd!!
Rant over sorry!
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"paul rowley would be a decent shout, otherwise look to oz. I don;t have a clue who is available but it wouldn't be hard to find one better than radford'"
So why didn't he? Honestly ask yourself if AP did what he thought was right for the club? He's no idiot he's a business man & he openly says he loves our club, so I will support what he does for them, not what so called fans think they know how to run a club, & throw out whoever is to blame because over the last year we haven't been called the entertainers.
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| Quote ="Jimmy Carr"This would be my option.
What I cannot get my head round is how Wigan and Leeds in particular are able to play such expansive rugby, because I don't believe that comes from Wane or McDermott?
If that is the case, then is has to come from either an 'attacking coach' or the senior players?
Take Leeds, who dictates the play on the pitch - Sinfield all day long for me (in recent years), I wouldn't be surprised if he is directly involved in training in terms of attacking ideas and plays?
So if we haven't got an attacking coach, then surely someone like Pryce could bring a lot to the table in terms of ideas and suggestions? Is he not doing this? Or is he not being allowed too by LR? (my way or the highway).
Cannot expect a lump like Lee Radford to suddenly come up with a master attacking playbook? He wasn't that type of player. The good things FC do are all typical of LR, but good coaches have more in the locker than just getting the team to work hard, they are students of the game, they adapt to change, not afraid to try new things, and listen to advice.
I see none of this at FC.
If you watch all the top teams, particularly when attacking the near the line, the scrum half or stand off is at first or second receiver at the play of the ball EVERY time, demanding the ball, directing the team, calling the shots, making the decisions and ultimately calling the plays?
I don't see that here, most of the time its a final front or second row carry and charge.
So either the players are incapable (not good enough) or being told not too and dare not suggest different?
I think Sneyd and Pryce need more freedom to express themselves and Pryce in particular should be advising LR - maybe his and we are still turd!!
Rant over sorry!'"
Nonetheless.... a GOOD rant.
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| Quote ="WormInHand"I honestly think it's becoming a cost issue - I think Pearson's reaching the bottom of his purse.
Heard a rumour last night that Mally Walker has sold Victoria Plumb. The obvious jump from this to Hull FC was also mooted. Perhaps this is why we appear to be seeing no action from Adam despite the pressure to do so?'"
He's sold 49% of it, he doesn't want to be any part in the clubs future, shame really.
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"He's sold 49% of it, he doesn't want to be any part in the clubs future, shame really.'"
Would he want to plumb new depths?
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| Quote ="weaver93"Wigan,Saints Warrington, Huddersfield all employ an attack coach, but we dont..it shows as our attack is so dire.
Available proven coaches... Elliott,Potter,B Smith,or Griffin (ideally Powell or T Smith but wont happen.)'"
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"So why didn't he? Honestly ask yourself if AP did what he thought was right for the club? He's no idiot he's a business man & he openly says he loves our club, so I will support what he does for them, not what so called fans think they know how to run a club, & throw out whoever is to blame because over the last year we haven't been called the entertainers.'"
pearson knows knack all about RL and if he were that great a businessman he'd never have bought our club.
I don;t know why he chose radford. I suspect radford was in his ear about gentle and his faults and that made him prime candidate to replace hi. What due diligence did pearson do before appointing him? Who else did he ask for an opinion? Who else did he interview for the position? I'd suspect none of them were done which is why we're in the mess we are.
I can understand your loyalty to your cuz but he isn't experienced enough to be head coach of any SL side
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| My loyalty is with my club, & you are just assuming LR played a part in gentles departure & AP didn't try to employ any other head coach, trouble is you don't know any facts, so you post on here things you think happened, how do you know AP knows nothing about RL? I would say he knows more then us after all he runs a club, we don't.
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"how do you know AP knows nothing about RL? I would say he knows more then us after all he runs a club, we don't.'"
I would say that his actions and public pronouncements strongly indicate otherwise.
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| Quote ="Kosh"I would say that his actions and public pronouncements strongly indicate otherwise.'"
You would say this but others wouldn't, & just because we are fans of the club, what do we know? I personally will stick with him & not the odd poster on here who judge people who they know nothing about or the resources & hard work they are putting in, after all this board has no bearings on the clubs decisions or future.
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"My loyalty is with my club, & you are just assuming LR played a part in gentles departure & AP didn't try to employ any other head coach, trouble is you don't know any facts, so you post on here things you think happened, how do you know AP knows nothing about RL? I would say he knows more then us after all he runs a club, we don't.'"
I would say anyone who appointed lee radford as head coach of a SL side knows knack all about RL
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"I would say anyone who appointed lee radford as head coach of a SL side knows knack all about RL'"
Yeah you've said before...several times.
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"My loyalty is with my club, & you are just assuming LR played a part in gentles departure & AP didn't try to employ any other head coach, trouble is you don't know any facts, so you post on here things you think happened, how do you know AP knows nothing about RL? I would say he knows more then us after all he runs a club, we don't.'"
I also believe Radford's whisperings convinced Pearson that Gentle had lost the dressing room after he, Radford, played his part in that loss. It was then but a small step to convince Pearson that his trusty advisor - who had, of course, been proven right - was the natural successor. He, Radford, held the hearts and minds of the players.
But that is my speculation only, based purely on my reading of the unfolding events. I am merely looking in, and making deductions accordingly.
But you obviously do know more having direct connection to Radford. So what did go on with relation to Gentle? Why did Pearson become disillusioned with him? What part, if any, did Radford play?
I would be grateful if you would answer as this episode in our history has troubled me greatly.
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| The question you have to ask yourself is . Is Lee radford one of the top 12 Rugby League coaches in England .Because that is the position he holds . We are a top 12 team [ at the moment and is our coach and coaching set up a top 12 set up . 2 questions really but every one gets the drift
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"My loyalty is with my club, & you are just assuming LR played a part in gentles departure & AP didn't try to employ any other head coach, trouble is you don't know any facts, so you post on here things you think happened, how do you know AP knows nothing about RL? I would say he knows more then us after all he runs a club, we don't.'"
I would say your loyalty is more with LR than with the club, admirable though it is, in the opinion of many on here its totally misplaced. And your statement that AP knows more about RL than people on here is just plain silly. By his own admission he's still learning and by the state of the club he's still got an awful lot to learn.
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| Quote ="Hessle Roader"I would say your loyalty is more with LR than with the club, admirable though it is, in the opinion of many on here its totally misplaced. And your statement that AP knows more about RL than people on here is just plain silly. By his own admission he's still learning and by the state of the club he's still got an awful lot to learn.'"
So without sounding disrespectful to you, as you have been a fan for ex amount of years, would we know how to run the day to day running of the club? As we are quick to knock him for trying, & what state is the club in other then not playing how we would like them to, this could change over night ( I'm not saying it will) but we play in a very good albeit big stadium, youth structure is top of the pile with years to come of progression, we are in a decent place to make the 8 in what is the closest league for a long time, my loyalty is with whoever AP employs as I'm a fan of the whole club, & would never want to see us hammered or be in a place for possible relegation just to see someone sacked, & be able to say I've told you so, this to me would be gloating, as I've said before if we are then we have to look elsewhere for coaching/ playing staff, but we are not in that predicament yet are we?
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"So without sounding disrespectful to you, as you have been a fan for ex amount of years, would we know how to run the day to day running of the club? As we are quick to knock him for trying, & what state is the club in other then not playing how we would like them to, this could change over night ( I'm not saying it will) but we play in a very good albeit big stadium, youth structure is top of the pile with years to come of progression, we are in a decent place to make the 8 in what is the closest league for a long time, my loyalty is with whoever AP employs as I'm a fan of the whole club, & would never want to see us hammered or be in a place for possible relegation just to see someone sacked, & be able to say I've told you so, this to me would be gloating, as I've said before if we are then we have to look elsewhere for coaching/ playing staff, but we are not in that predicament yet are we?'"
Nowhere in your statement does it say that AP knows anything about Rugby League. At no point have I said that he is not a successful businessman but I do not believe that in the short time he has been with the club he has learned as much about the game as many who sit in the stands each match. I, personally, have been following the club since the late 1940's so, without boasting, I would say I have a much greater knowledge of the game than Adam, and I have no doubt that the majority of the fans could make the same claims. I'm not having a dig at Adam because I believe that he is the best thing that has happened to the club in recent years, but I do believe he has been badly advised and we, as fans, are having to suffer the consequences.
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| Quote ="Hessle Roader"Nowhere in your statement does it say that AP knows anything about Rugby League. At no point have I said that he is not a successful businessman but I do not believe that in the short time he has been with the club he has learned as much about the game as many who sit in the stands each match. I, personally, have been following the club since the late 1940's so, without boasting, I would say I have a much greater knowledge of the game than Adam, and I have no doubt that the majority of the fans could make the same claims. I'm not having a dig at Adam because I believe that he is the best thing that has happened to the club in recent years, but I do believe he has been badly advised and we, as fans, are having to suffer the consequences.'"
I respect you as a fan for so long, but if the club would have carried on under the McRae/ gentle era we would not have had the youth system as good as it is, & we all know this is the future as it is the top 4 clubs that are reaping the rewards for doing this years ago.
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"My loyalty is with my club, & you are just assuming LR played a part in gentles departure & AP didn't try to employ any other head coach, trouble is you don't know any facts, so you post on here things you think happened, how do you know AP knows nothing about RL? I would say he knows more then us after all he runs a club, we don't.'"
Please don't take this as criticism because it's not meant as that, but as someone who is close to the coach, do you ever doubt Lee? Are you puzzled by some of his team selections, use of interchanges or tactics, or do you think he's getting most things right? If you think he's getting most things right is it the players who are letting him down? If it's not the players letting him down what do you think is the reason for the current level of performance by the first team?
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| Neil Hudgell is a so called Rugby man and his side are below us so what does that say?Just because you think Pearson knows nothing about rugby proves nothing. Listening to Rankins interview after the Salford game he said they train well and put things in place then it all goes out the window when they are on it..so whos fault is that.Its clear we are not playing well yet have lost 1 in the last 5 games and for a side who are struggling there has to be some credit given.I have spoken to many players past and present and they all feel playing at home now is really tough and that says it all really
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| Quote ="hokeydokey"Neil Hudgell is a so called Rugby man and his side are below us so what does that say?Just because you think Pearson knows nothing about rugby proves nothing. Listening to Rankins interview after the Salford game he said they train well and put things in place then it all goes out the window when they are on it..so whos fault is that.Its clear we are not playing well yet have lost 1 in the last 5 games and for a side who are struggling there has to be some credit given.I have spoken to many players past and present and they all feel playing at home now is really tough and that says it all really'"
Good post. I go to 90% of games home & away and the atmosphere away is so much better. Hard yards at the KC, and if I were a player trying my hardest (effort not really been questioned this year), getting seven sacks of crap knocked out of me, playing on the needle and so on, and getting little vocal support (at best, booed or having other players names chanted at me at worst) with banners etc, I'd hate the experience and it would dilute my effort compared to being forcefully supported. What once felt like a family now feels like a battleground and I personally think if people genuinely want the players to perform they should consider their own role as supporters as well as bitching non-stop about every aspect of the club. It's reciprocal, right? Looking forward to Warrington.
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