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| Quote ="Keiththered"It must be the only amusing thing for an FC fan this week. Glad I was able to cheer you up.'"
Has Bailey told Cockaine what he missed out on in the big house?
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| Quote ="frepneyboy"Has Bailey told Cockaine what he missed out on in the big house?'"
Can anyone on here explain the significance of this statement by frepneyboy on the topic "fans forum"?
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| Quote ="frepneyboy"For me there is no financial worry if the crowd does go below 7500, as we have GUARANTEED income levels of 7500, so even if the gates went to 3000 we would still have the levels of income as if at 7500.
Its in the SMC user agreement.'"
Think you may be mistaken here. What's in the User Agreement is a base level of [icharges[/i that we accrue for using the stadium and that was set at our crowd average at the time.
Or are you referring to the 'Club Hull' tickets that SMC purchase under the agreement?
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| Quote ="Keiththered"Can anyone on here explain the significance of this statement by frepneyboy on the topic "fans forum"?'"
The significance of a Rovers fan posting on a Hull FC forum?
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| Quote ="Kosh"Think you may be mistaken here. What's in the User Agreement is a base level of [icharges[/i that we accrue for using the stadium and that was set at our crowd average at the time.
Or are you referring to the 'Club Hull' tickets that SMC purchase under the agreement?'"
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when the stadium was set up it was clear. We have a minimum level of guaranteed income, which "protected the club should gates fall below 7500"
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| Quote ="*1865*"See, this is it. Why will lower attendances lead to life in lower divisions? Plenty of teams perform better than us with lower attendances. As for closure, it's silly talk, of course if nobody turns up then it'll lead to that, but do you seriously think that will happen? We'll just restructure and live within our means. There's thousands of fans that would watch the team play on Picky park, so i'm sure that if it came to it closure of a stand wouldn't be the end of the world, it's practically empty every week anyway.'"
Lower attendances means lower income which means worse squad, less investment in youth, etc. Can't see that maintaining or improving our performance in the league. The logical result is a slide into relegation. Teams with lower attendances that regularly perform better than us do so with additional income streams that we lack - notably a rich owner or board.
It doesn't need 'nobody' to turn up to threaten the club with closure. All it takes is Pearson to run out of cash or get fed up. I don't have the figures to hand but we didn't have 'nobody' watching us when we nearly closed before the merger.
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| Quote ="frepneyboy"No
when the stadium was set up it was clear. We have a minimum level of guaranteed income, which "protected the club should gates fall below 7500"'"
First I've heard of this. Where does this income come from? The council? The SMC?
The only reference I'm aware of to the 7500 attendance figure is how our rent/charges scale.
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| Quote ="Kosh"First I've heard of this. Where does this income come from? The council? The SMC?
The only reference I'm aware of to the 7500 attendance figure is how our rent/charges scale.'"
I think he's saying that we only have to share gate receipts with the SMC if the attendance exceeds 7500. If its less than 7500 we keep all the receipts.
I don't know whether this is correct or not.
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| Quote ="Barnabus"'"
I think you'll find the south end at Poorhouse Lane is very very far away from the pitch.
Which reminds me, when is Hudgills leaving do? afterall he cant afford any more for Rovers, not with his expensive move to Larndon town
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| Didn't we pretty much break even last season? I'm sure that is what the club announced. Add in an extra £600k SKY money and surely we can't be anywhere near as bad as is being made out?
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Didn't we pretty much break even last season? I'm sure that is what the club announced. Add in an extra £600k SKY money and surely we can't be anywhere near as bad as is being made out?'"
Exactly, it's not footballers wages, super league as a salary cap for a good reason! Business mistakes, bad calls are the problem. Make good business decisions , get a team playin consistently well, and Pearson won't have a problem. To easy to blame the fans and previous regimes
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| Quote ="Tinkerman23"Exactly, it's not footballers wages, super league as a salary cap for a good reason! Business mistakes, bad calls are the problem. Make good business decisions , get a team playin consistently well, and Pearson won't have a problem. Too easy to blame the fans and previous regimes'" ... and too easy to blame AP ??
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| Quote ="Kosh"Lower attendances means lower income which means worse squad, less investment in youth, etc. Can't see that maintaining or improving our performance in the league. The logical result is a slide into relegation. Teams with lower attendances that regularly perform better than us do so with additional income streams that we lack - notably a rich owner or board.
It doesn't need 'nobody' to turn up to threaten the club with closure. All it takes is Pearson to run out of cash or get fed up. I don't have the figures to hand but we didn't have 'nobody' watching us when we nearly closed before the merger.'"
We are very lucky enough to have a core support that can maintain income levels at a level good enough to stay in SL, I don't think anyone can argue with that tbh. Obviously if we can't afford to spend full cap because we don't have the gates then so be it, where other teams have found difficulty is because their owners have tried to 'fill the void' and then had it back fire on them. That's the sort of mis-management I doubt Pearson will be involved in.
I think saying things like 'financial problems' & 'crippling the club' are scaremongering statements when you don't clarify what it means.
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| Quote ="ccs"... and too easy to blame AP ??'"
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| I think the most significant thing AP said was "a large batch of supporters for whatever reason, are not renewing their pass next season".
It sounds like he is just being realistic. Income from pass sales is decreasing year on year, and needs highlighting.
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| Quote ="ccs"I think the most significant thing AP said was "a large batch of supporters for whatever reason, are not renewing their pass next season".
It sounds like he is just being realistic. Income from pass sales is decreasing year on year, and needs highlighting.'"
Maybe those that jumped on the FC bandwagon after the move to the KC and the subsequent small taste of success of 2004/05/06 have jumped on to the City bandwagon?
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| Quote ="*1865*"Maybe those that jumped on the FC bandwagon after the move to the KC and the subsequent small taste of success of 2004/05/06 have jumped on to the City bandwagon?'"
I think that is very close to the truth IMO,plus the quality of rugby has not been great.
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| Quote ="Keiththered"As I read it the figure quoted of £1.2m was not a direct cost.'"
I suggest you read the accounts, then. FC’s direct costs are reported as £1.2m. Poor effort.
Quote ="Keiththered" A loss in the case of FC. Not the same things at all.'"
They’re not the same things, clearly. But they are the same number.
Quote ="Keiththered" In any case direct costs do not usually rise proportionally.'"
Well, actually they do. You know we’re talking about “direct” costs, and not the separately reported overheads/expenses line, right?
Quote ="Keiththered" Many of the costs of running the KC will be fixed only increasing with inflation. '" Sure. Mainly in the separate £1.9m expenses/overheads line you’d think.
Quote ="Keiththered"The only increases will be extra stewards, gate staff, police etc to cope with the extra crowd '" Direct costs varying in line with activity you’d say.
Quote ="Keiththered" These however seem to have been payed for by the SMC in the case of FC but not for City.'"
I have no idea what that comment means.
Quote ="Keiththered" It is therefore quite possible that "The direct costs of City, with total attendances around 200% more than ours are £1.8m, just 50% more". Not amazing at all. Again I am not commenting on the accuracy of the figures just the way you have presented them to fit your argument.'"
City service around 450k customers a year, us just 130k. That’s a ratio of 3.5 to 1. The direct costs of the clubs are £1.812m and £1.224m respectively. That’s a ratio of 1.48 to 1. I take the point on part fixed/variable costs, but that’s still a very significant disparity in my opinion. Like you, I can’t comment on the accuracy. But I do find it odd that if you look back to the 2010 accounts, the P&L schedule showed FC’s direct costs were £0.2m. Assuming like for like definitions that would be a six-fold increase in our direct costs on reduced gates. Or going from a positive direct contribution to the SMC in 2010 of +£0.4m to causing them a net loss of -£1.2m in 2014. Have the underlying finances really shifted that much? Perhaps the basis of cost allocation/reporting definition has changed…
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| Quote ="ccs"... and too easy to blame AP ??'"
I'm not really blaming ap, I think most fans appreciate the money he as put in and what he's trying to do, but I just think this all stinks of a bit of a pr stunt to sell more or try and sell more season tickets, I think most hull fans struggled last season , it was a bore fest, I personally think, we will get plenty of walk up fans next season, I'll be one of them, and if the team perform well, people will then consider buying for the season after. It's not rocket science
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| Quote ="Tinkerman23"I'm not really blaming ap, I think most fans appreciate the money he as put in and what he's trying to do, but I just think this all stinks of a bit of a pr stunt to sell more or try and sell more season tickets, I think most hull fans struggled last season , it was a bore fest, I personally think, we will get plenty of walk up fans next season, I'll be one of them, and if the team perform well, people will then consider buying for the season after. It's not rocket science'"
Careful, your being a realist. Cant have that.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"I suggest you read the accounts, then. FC’s direct costs are reported as £1.2m. Poor effort.
They’re not the same things, clearly. But they are the same number.
Well, actually they do. You know we’re talking about “direct” costs, and not the separately reported overheads/expenses line, right?
Sure. Mainly in the separate £1.9m expenses/overheads line you’d think.
Direct costs varying in line with activity you’d say.
I have no idea what that comment means.
City service around 450k customers a year, us just 130k. That’s a ratio of 3.5 to 1. The direct costs of the clubs are £1.812m and £1.224m respectively. That’s a ratio of 1.48 to 1. I take the point on part fixed/variable costs, but that’s still a very significant disparity in my opinion. Like you, I can’t comment on the accuracy. But I do find it odd that if you look back to the 2010 accounts, the P&L schedule showed FC’s direct costs were £0.2m. Assuming like for like definitions that would be a six-fold increase in our direct costs on reduced gates. Or going from a positive direct contribution to the SMC in 2010 of +£0.4m to causing them a net loss of -£1.2m in 2014. Have the underlying finances really shifted that much? Perhaps the basis of cost allocation/reporting definition has changed…'"
Comprehensive ownership there Mrs B. Never argue accounts with an accountant or law with a lawyer.
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| Quote ="Chris28"Comprehensive ownership there Mrs B. Never argue accounts with an accountant or law with a lawyer.'"
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Didn't we pretty much break even last season? I'm sure that is what the club announced. Add in an extra £600k SKY money and surely we can't be anywhere near as bad as is being made out?'"
But crowds are down - to just over 9500 (actual in ground) for last season, plus no Wembley appearance.
Pearson's already invested plenty of his own funds, no doubt envisioning the success he predicted would negate that by now. In fact, the opposite has happened and he's simply running out of cash. Corners will have to be cut - no blame, just fact. The slippery slope then beckons.
Agree about Radford, but it's a bit late for another radical change and new start, financially-wise. I'm sure Radford is well aware of the situation and his expected role. We'll just have to pray he can rise to it.
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