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| That's because in some quarters their talent gets exagerated as does our expectations of them. Hence you end up with a balance of extreme arguments. Horne and Yeaman wouldn't get half the flack if they weren't referred to as superstars and legends all the time and perhaps we'd then be able to get some better quality to mix with them.
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| What does chugger mean?
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| Quote ="Sheldon"What does chugger mean?'"
He's our new quota half back
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| Huddersfield are offering G horne an extension aren't they? Hes a cheap squad player
Washbrook deserves another run at loose forward imo, he looked like a good prospect there once
There both cheap players. Its not like their on big money
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| Just think when recruitment is left this late then we don't get our top targets and decisions could be rushed
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| Quote ="hullandbroncos"Just think when recruitment is left this late then we don't get our top targets and decisions could be rushed'"
Tbf we haven't left it late, Our first targets have turned us down.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"Tbf we haven't left it late, Our first targets have turned us down.'"
True but the club should have looked into the berro quota spot a lot earlier so they could weigh their options earlier
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| Quote ="R.B.A"Ill dig my certificates out mate and tipex my name out so you put yours on them. I believe Rich Agar got his qualifications in a similar manner.'"
Youre not wrong!
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| Quote ="hullandbroncos"True but the club should have looked into the berro quota spot a lot earlier so they could weigh their options earlier'"
Reminds me of the tardiness displayed giving Raynor the 5 shirt a few weeks before getting rid.
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| Quote ="hullandbroncos"True but the club should have looked into the berro quota spot a lot earlier so they could weigh their options earlier'"
True.
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| Quote ="hullandbroncos"True but the club should have looked into the berro quota spot a lot earlier so they could weigh their options earlier'"
On the flip side maybe they did and it's taken so long for the agreement to come through?
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"The 3 I highlighted are/were different class to the others you mentioned, and the club have been spot on to invest in them. Horne may appear to now be past his best, but he has given us several years as one of the best players in SL. Yeaman has been every bit as good as the likes of Senior in his time IMO, and King had as much talent as I've seen in a front rower, he just didn't have the application to match.
I see the point you were trying to make, which is why I said you damaged it by including these 3 as examples of 'ordinary' players. They have been very good players for us and certainly much better than the other company you named them in.'"
"Yeaman has been every bit as good as the likes of Senior in his time IMO" OMFG !! What was it you mentioned about ridiculous claims again ?
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Quote ="thehullwhitestar""Yeaman has been every bit as good as the likes of Senior in his time IMO" OMFG !!
What was it you mentioned about ridiculous claims again ?'"
Indeed. I know stats dont tell the whole story but looking at this season alone when Senior is meant to be past it i know which one i'd rather have in my side
superleague.co.uk/statistics_pla ... eason=2010
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Quote ="thehullwhitestar""Yeaman has been every bit as good as the likes of Senior in his time IMO" OMFG !!
What was it you mentioned about ridiculous claims again ?'"
Indeed. I know stats dont tell the whole story but looking at this season alone when Senior is meant to be past it i know which one i'd rather have in my side
superleague.co.uk/statistics_pla ... eason=2010
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"Correct ! It's also compounded by the fact that we seem to big up our not so good players much more than they deserve. They end up with 2 and 3 year contracts without being much good. Think things are changing a bit mind.'"
There might be a desire to change but we've just handed radford a 2 year deal and I'm guessing dowes will follow suit
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"The 3 I highlighted are/were different class to the others you mentioned, and the club have been spot on to invest in them. Horne may appear to now be past his best, but he has given us several years as one of the best players in SL. Yeaman has been every bit as good as the likes of Senior in his time IMO, and King had as much talent as I've seen in a front rower, he just didn't have the application to match.
I see the point you were trying to make, which is why I said you damaged it by including these 3 as examples of 'ordinary' players. They have been very good players for us and certainly much better than the other company you named them in.'"
Of course King and Horne WERE good, I certainly agree but King had at least one, probably two contract extensions which we not even nearly warranted and as for Horne's last deal, just madness. Good/past it clubman or not.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"There might be a desire to change but we've just handed radford a 2 year deal and I'm guessing dowes will follow suit'"
Radford AND Dowes in our front row again !!! Does is really get any better than that
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I love Keith Senior. Niggly, wily old dog, still got great strength and decent pace. Plus he declared himself fit for the 2005 CC final.
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I love Keith Senior. Niggly, wily old dog, still got great strength and decent pace. Plus he declared himself fit for the 2005 CC final.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"There might be a desire to change but we've just handed radford a 2 year deal and I'm guessing dowes will follow suit'"
But both on considerably less money mate. I'm fairly happy with that, it could be almost an extra free player!!
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"I love Keith Senior. Niggly, wily old dog, still got great strength and decent pace. Plus he declared himself fit for the 2005 CC final.
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I've never really looked back at Yeamo's career statistically til just then. It became very obvious that Yeamo's best years were 2004-2006 and he pushed Senior close in 2006 but still wasnt better. The worrying this was that Yeamo got a higher number of assists and made fewer erros and missed tackles in 2003 and 2004 than he does now. I know he's in a worse team with a worse coach but it's pretty shocking really how far he's gone backwards. (statistically)
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| Quote ="thehullwhitestar"Radford AND Dowes in our front row again !!! Does is really get any better than that
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radford, dowes and cusack?
You should calm down or you'll make yourself ill
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| Quote ="FC Wembley 08"But both on considerably less money mate. I'm fairly happy with that, it could be almost an extra free player!!'"
Did expro tell you that?
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"There might be a desire to change but we've just handed radford a 2 year deal and I'm guessing dowes will follow suit'"
Am feeling distinctly underwhelmed, now. Could've coped with this along with one or two massive new-blood signings, but it looks like same old plus Will Sharp.
With maybe BJB on loan and Rovelli who no-one else wants.
Mason, Fielden, Prescott, Greenshields, Bosc, LMS, Coley, Nowt nor Sammut....??
No progress, staying stagnant at best.
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| Quote ="WormInHand"Am feeling distinctly underwhelmed, now. Could've coped with this along with one or two massive new-blood signings, but it looks like same old plus Will Sharp.
With maybe BJB on loan and Rovelli who no-one else wants.
Mason, Fielden, Prescott, Greenshields, Bosc, LMS, Coley, Nowt nor Sammut....??
No progress, staying stagnant at best.'"
backwards compared to the competition
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I've never really looked back at Yeamo's career statistically til just then. It became very obvious that Yeamo's best years were 2004-2006 and he pushed Senior close in 2006 but still wasnt better. The worrying this was that Yeamo got a higher number of assists and made fewer erros and missed tackles in 2003 and 2004 than he does now. I know he's in a worse team with a worse coach but it's pretty shocking really how far he's gone backwards. (statistically)'"
No wonder the Cooke became famous for the cut-out pass to Raynor.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"No wonder the Cooke became famous for the cut-out pass to Raynor.
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Even putting that to one side Yeamo was a better player back then statistically. Even with Cooke putting numerous clean breaks on a plate for Yeamo he still has never been anywhere near as good as Senior.
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