Maybe a 3 year "building plan" is just a sneaky way of a coach not fully knowing what he's doing getting a long term contract and avoid being under too much scrutiny in years 1/2 if things don't quite go to plan and our chairman fell for it during the interview process

I just read Hodgson words on the bbc sport match report

“I thought we started-off reasonably well, but once fatigue hits we had some decision-making by key individuals which created some opportunities for St Helens and then they ground us into submission so it was very disappointing.”

There’s fatigue and then there’s being totally unfit. 4 tries in ten minutes then straight after half time it’s 3 tries in the first ten minutes.

Who is actually getting these players fit? Conditions are the same for both teams

Hull are a team of full time professionals and had the same playing conditions as Saints.

Can’t blame fatigue. Should look at discipline, attitude and decision making for starters.

Numb to it all now.

The players have downed tools again on another coach because they don't like his ways.

Whatever their views on BH they're professional sportsmen and the dross they're serving up shows a complete lack of respect for AP and the fans inparticular.

BH will be here next season whether we like it or not, I think AP has once again invested heavily in another project.
We apparently also have a very well paid forward who was told he can leave but will definitely see out his lucrative 5 year contract.

There's no incentive for these players and no consequences it would seem.

Only players for me who came out with any credit today we're Mitch and Fash.
The rest were lazy, clueless and useless at best.

No one knows the reason he was recalled to Saints but i would still back his ability at centre against Sutcliffe
We havnt seen Simm at centre yet but he is seven years younger,Bigger in overall size and weight and much faster than Sutcliffe.
Remember Sutcliffe was in and out of an average Leeds team last season.
Nothing against him just think we should be aiming much higher if we are giving out 3 year contracts.
I would be happy to have Simm and Longstaff here next season.They are young players with potential who even now can mix it in S/L

In the McRae/Kear era the players used to dread Billy Malinson's infamous runs up Brantingham Hill pre season and would joke about it in interviews, yes it was old school but in that era we were were a playoff team every season. Now we look massively unfit and we cant even say we start slow and aim to peak late in the season, we barely win a game in August/September!

Now it’s we barely win a game full stop

Once Saints took the lead after about 30 minutes we knew heads would drop and it would be another mauling. It was just a case of how many. It's that predictable.

Saints even took the foot off the peddle in the second half. They could easily have scored more points.

And not forgetting Makinson missed a few kicks and due to the scoreline I felt came inside a couple of times rather than doing his famous dives to the corner flag. It could have been even worse.

10k plus crowd........

Dan Tomlinson telling it as it was as always. https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... de-7462593

Dan Tomlinson telling it as it was as always. https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... de-7462593

Listened to BH interview on Humberside and he sounds like a man that hasn’t a clue. To say fatigue was the reason we got beat is quite honestly laughable if as a team we are so fatigued after 40 mins then what the hell are they doing in training and with the fitness staff? Not a lot by the sounds of it.

Mind you to play an aging player for 80 mins week in week out and then on a real scorcher the HC flogs him completely so after 25/30mins he was out on his feet and no matter where Houghton was in the defensive line St’s just exploited that and it’s so predictable. We also yet again fail to apply pressure to the opposition and make them use up energy by defending instead we go for glory on tackles 1 or 2 instead relieving pressure on the opposition and putting it on ourselves.
The injuries/missing players are just not an excuse or a reason for the manner of defeats which are all too familiar under BH.
The interchanges and use of the bench selection is another failure which BH seems to not learnt anything from.

As for Purtill I honestly fail to see what he has done while at the club.
I have no confidence in the current coaching set up that they know what they are doing or have any ability to get anything out of the players they have. Next season i fear will just once again be more of the same as there has been no evidence in 2 years under BH that he is capable or has implemented any structures other than a structure to collapse and capitulate with ease.

Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"Dan Tomlinson telling it as it was as always. https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... de-7462593'" Disagree Wilf. Those ratings are over generous.

Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"Dan Tomlinson telling it as it was as always. https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... de-7462593'" Disagree Wilf. Those ratings are over generous.

The reality of the situation will hit next season, as people will simply prioritise paying bills over watching a “project “

I’m hoping to hear from AP at some point, to see how he feels about things.

If you count passholders on holiday, those busy washing their hair and the infamous tickets the SMC buy from us...8k actually there in my opinion and it is dwindling fast, could be on for an SL era low on Friday

Time for another bring a friend for a £5

and it's on sky.

I am really worried about the financial situation, some wont have a choice of entertainment over essentials. Others will will choose their entertainment spends wisely. The size of our stadium doesnt help either, if you lose your treasured seat there's another free one not far away.

If we hear from Adam it can't be another 'be faithful and back the club' thing, he's milked that now, the vast majority of fans not asking for a refund during Covid showed enough loyalty.

It'd be more lose a friend for £5 at the minute!

I have a bet once a month
I made a fortune on Leeds and FC this weekend

Luckily I wasn’t there, but listened to Alan use a thousand words Hunt were a couple would have done on the radio, I did post numerous times early in Brett’s tenure, that I saw no discernible style or pattern to our teams play, nothing seemed to be evolving, even boring Huddersfield, ahem Sam Tompkins and Joe Burgess and me have a way to play.

We are sort of a rabble, a rabble without a cause, we certainly don’t seem to have any friends, even our own fans are chucking it because we keep getting mullered, with threats to stop buying tickets, that’ll really help.

Dan Tomlinson is right to berate the players, what about the coach Dan, did that one get overlooked, no one should be left out of this present debacle, and to be honest it’s probably good this has happened, maybe AP will have to wield the axe again, did Hodgson actually put the blame on Connor Wynne, it sounded like it.

Then there’s the drug theory of course, rumour has it Josh Simm left half an hours worth of Saints stash in his locker.

What's the drug theory?

We’re on downers

Tothers are on uppers.

No one covered themself in glory, but some of the stats are grim reading, the main low-lights are:

Longstaff, 2 drives all game for 5 metres, along with Lane who did 5, so the backrow manged 7 drives, whilst McIntosh does 16, how is allowed to happen, is this coaching or laziness from the players?
Satae taking 6 hit ups, our best go forward prop and one of the best in the league that is poor, is it fitness, all the Saints props do 15 to 20 hit ups, what is our obsession with our backs doing all the work, worked ok when you have the likes of Fonua and Talanoa, but our backs are pretty lightweight so use the forwards more.

Jordan Johnstone did an 18 minute spell, now ok, it was the time when Saints were really dominant, but in that time, he got tackled 0 times.

Either the players aren't fit , the tactics are wrong or they aren't listened to the coach, probably a combination, but this is the coaches job to make sure they are fit and the tactics are right and been followed, otherwise he has to take action.

There is even an in balance in the amount of work the backs are doing, McIntosh is probably our weakest go forward player, yet he takes the most drives!

Need some serious changes with our coaching and conditioning.

Been saying it all season, the forwards don't do enough work getting us out our 20/30, we've got a culture of giving it to the lightweight lads. Ive watched certain props just come on the field and shy away from carrying the ball in.

For me some are stealing a living, but I also think our organisation and distribution from our 9 and 7 is abysmal.

We need 2 leaders in those positions, who l order the forwards to take carrys. Shame Savelios out who doesn't shirk the graft, really missed him and Carlos.