from God?

I agree with you.He is living off his past success

This is from our penalty machine Jordan Lane
I was quite bad at the weekend. I gave away about three or four penalties or six agains. It's something that I'm working on personally to try and negate from my game. Tony also showed us in our review that we gave away 16 penalties and 10 errors. so we need to eradicate them

Is the penny starting to drop?
The on field indiscipline has got worse since Tinkering Tony has been here yet he has done sweet FA about it.
I just think he his just going through the motions knowing the clubs financial situation

Why do fans go on about his fitness?
If he was fit enough to be on the bench two or three weeks ago and do 40 mins plus then he surely can do that now
Think we have to accept that Smith either doesnt like him or rate him as it seems he would rather play a one legged Houghton for 80 minutes

Thats why they call him tinkering Tony
Like last week at Catalan when Russell went off.
We had three forwards on the bench so rather than move Okunbor to wing,a position he has played he moves Walker to the wing and Hoy to full back which then negated the possibility of moving Hoy into the halves to add more zip which was probably the intention of having him on the bench

Im hoping when everyones back he starts holding the penalty machines accountable

Good summary and couldn’t agree more.

As thing stand this isnt a given as patience has been tested for far too long since 2018 and we've had too many false dawns/promises and what is for me one of the biggest grumbles is the lack of communication from the club.

Hoy
Tindall
Carlos
Sutcliffe
Mcintosh
Smith
Nu Brown
Ese'ese
Houghton
Sao
Ockunbor
Staveley
Lane

Pele
Scott
J Brown
Gardiner

For me it's a lack of honesty. I know it's maybe not great business to come out and say we're skint, but I'd have a lot more respect for Pearson if he told us we're struggling to pay the big bucks and need to look at ways to reduce the cost of our outgoings (players wages).

I know it might put some people off, but as a pass holder for 20+ years I would then be more inclined to continue with that, knowing the club needs the money to make sure I still have a club to go and watch in another 20 years.

At the moment, I feel like I'm being fobbed off by the powers that be.

I don't miss Hethertington & Rule for lots of reasons but one good thing was when the fans were down they'd pull a big signing out the bag to get the tills ringing again. Such as 2009 was awful then Long, O'Meley and Fitzgibbon were announced and hey ho lots of passes sold and everyone waiting for the fixture list to come out. I do appreciate though that less big name players from the NRL will come to SL these days.

AP did state the lack of a long term lease on the Stadium is why we haven't had any potential investors coming forward . Hopefully when this business get sorted with the City & the SMC , the situation will improve .
Gonna take some time though .

Totally agree chris, its all running abit thin now, the communication with fans is frustrating and very shoddy, has he penny pinched on fan liasion too.

The thing is the fans were very supportive and alot kept money in duriing covid, bought the merchandise and carried on backing the club so it could survive. I understand its been rocky times and this loan needs paying bit with the under funded swuad this year , hes stated the covid loan should be behind us and paid. Always announcing record new deals with sponsers. Kit manufacturers, corperate sales etc etc but still minimal dialogue with the fans about any positives or green shoots, particularly regarding investment in the team.

The fans need some positivity and assurances moneys going to be out into the squad as its been steadyily deteriorating for a few seasons now. Its blatant stonewalling the fans by the owner, coupled with the match review panel and officals apparant dislike of us its all getting to the point where alot have had enough.

Surely pearson senses the negativity and disgruntlement amongst the fanbase and has some form of plan or positivity to offer. Communication is key.

Iys up for discussions this year, but again not much info given to fans, we dont even know what the deal is, it was quoted at 250k a year because of premiership football, but then city got relegated so what happened to the rent figure, again radio silence. Pearson just likes to keep the fans in the dark , the less we know the more he can plead poverty.

Whats to say when city got relegated it didnt go back down to 20/30k a year? Nobodys said otherwise

What is an investor?
An investor is a person or organization that provides capital with the expectation of earning a return on their investment.

There lies the problem

He isnt allowed to talk about the deal it has a confidentiality clause, Kath and Rule used to say the same.

I agree that there needs to be more comms in general though.

Fair play if theres a clause in place.

I still dont think its still at 250k as assumed.

This is interesting stuff and I guess for a lot of folks its a strange one in that when James Clark headed up the communications side of things the service we got was very good however since he became Chief Executive we have heard little if nothing. Can you remember the last time he spoke about the issues CE's usually discuss openly with fans at other clubs. All we hear is when another set of shirts is released or a new set of training gear is produced in fact we have so many now we'll probably be getting players official Pajama kit soon, looking around the city and the crowd people are still buying them as well. However, as someone above says when you consider how many of us kept our money in during covid and as I have said before I know fans who through ill health can no longer go to games yet still keep their season tickets out of loyalty to the club. Then there are the travelling support arguably the best in the league over many seasons. I used to be involved with FC Voices and we always used to press for and indeed got two fans forums a year but for the lat 6 years there has been nothing. Surely a fan base like ours deserves better or at least a bit of communication and feed back to balance the loyalty, allegiance and obvious devotion thousands of us still hold for our club, despite quite frankly a consistent decline on the field year on year for the past 7 years.

Are there any fans groups still.in contact with the club? As surely the fans feelings need communicating, all we get is q and a on hull live where we learn nothing. Maybe hull lives FC reporter would like to inform clarke and pearson how knarked the fans are about the lack of communication and inform.him hes facing a big drop.off in pass sales.

Martin being left out isn't a dig on him sometimes they just need a breather why do people get tetcy about it, like Dave said look at Litten last season, Tindall and Mac are the two first choice wingers why wouldn't you play them? Danny Houghton isn't on the cap so he isn't costing cap space, although we can't keep trying to get 80 minutes out of him he needs to be rotated. Why do people think Sam Powell would move from Lancashire when he's based there and he can go down the road to Warrington.

In reply to R&R69 I believe FC voices still exists as their chairperson includes that position on her Facebook site but I haven't heard anything from them for ages, in fact they have been pretty anonymous for years. I think the last fans forum was back in 2015 at the Walton Club. They are the ideal candidates because they are listed on the club site as the official supporters group recognised by the Club and I guess that their low profile suits them. WE need another HISA really.

Plenty of outspoken supporters on here but who would be willing to organise that. It's a thankless task.

A thankless task indeed. A Bit of historical background.

The Last I heard FC Voices had a lot of good people involved but they had no real clout anymore. For that, you need to form an independent supporters organisation which is a massive task with a constitution a guarantee of recognition by the club a committee chairman treasurer etc plus if subs are involved a controlled treasury. then once people buy in everyone as a member has a vote and everything has to be done by concencus which is a nightmare. in 1997 HISA was formed and we all bought in because their one aim was to get rid of Lloyd and ensure the club survived. They organised protest marches, produced a fanzine and petitioned the council. In the end they were instrumental in saving the club and persuading Gateshead to merge.

Once that was done and they were involved in more everyday stuff it became unwieldy and almost impossible to progress any corporate initiatives as consensus was difficult to gain, because as this board proves everyone has a view which they believe is right particularly if they are a paying member.

. Eventually it fell apart.

FC Voices was formed after the sacking of John Kear and although properly constituted and recognised by Auntie Kath Rule and Co they avoided membership but rather took a role of offering a conduit between the fans and the club. When I was involved I met with James Rule and then Adam every couple of months with a list of issues fans had raised and we had a voice. In addition they had a deal of success promoted fans events like memorabilia fairs and two fans forums a year at which the fans could question the owner and the CE plus a couple of players, .as well as providing the fans player of the year award. In addition we represented and accompanied fans at hearings on match day behaviour with the SMC etc. It used to work well and it held the club to a certain level of accountability. But it all seems to have faded away and I guess it will suit them now that no such repoir with fans exists at all.

Maybe the Cork might pop at 16.45 tomorrow.

My predictometer is running hot this season and is indicating a win against Leigh.

It sounds like it's been running too hot and has short circuited.

(Just kidding, I fancy us today too).