What was wrong with his observation from where I was sat he's got it spot on? He did hand them 12 points and he did cost us an easy 6 points. I've watched it on Sky plus again and it was there for all to see but obviously I must be on glue too!!

Whiting was another culprit who was extremely poor but he will always get stood up by any winger worth his salt which as been proved a few times this year.

You can not go up against a top side like Warrington with out a proper half back pairing we lost Obst early on , Westerman is and always will be a lose man. We was lucky not to get more put past us.For me we are not at the stage where we can challenge the top 4 (we should be ) . I am not expecting to get passed the first round I will still be going and cheering them on but the season is over the King is dead long live the king {[iPeter [/i[iGentle[/i) roll on next season and see what he can do with our squad .I remember Brian Smith coming and turning us round from dead beats to world beaters .Lets hope this Peter Gentle has the same effect . 16000 there last night very good vocal following from The Wire fans they deserved it lets hope we are in the same position next season

Yeah I thought that for a SuperLeague winger Whiting had a shocker. Let's face it we all know how bad his defence is after last week. No vision, no commitment. In fact I'd get rid!

Maybe because he has been the most consistent player this season?

Maybe, but if we aspire to be a top 4 side like most posters on here believe we should be, then he isn't our answer at right centre or wing.

We can leave that up to the new coach to decide.

The try when Atkins had Whiting on the outside wasn't even a lack of pace because he got hold of him, which was more frustrating.

I think if Westy had passed the ball for that try Monaghan would have intercepted I think, which would have got even more criticism!

Worst thing about the 1st half was the score

If you get a top coach, he won't have Whiting in the side every week. Hull fans seem to appreciate his grafting, Jack-of-all-trades type stuff but ultimately he isn't the type of athlete required unless he can bulk up and do a job in the pack.

Agree now that his days on the wing should be over. As for bulking up ideally he would, but he runs the ball back on kick returns harder than some of our forwards do.

Just think yes last week he was outstanding but he isn't near our top 4 this year.

I was surprised at the half time score line, you absolutely hammered us! We just took every single chance we got.

we've tried a few times to bulk him up though, haven't we?

and Ellam, it's easy to be outstanding against a poor Castleford side, a Warrington side with the League Shield on the line is a totally different prospect.

FWIW w did well to stay within 20ish points of them.

The first half was very unusual. Hull put all the pressure on and we only got in your 20 metre area twice, but scored both times.

Yup u must be on the same Glue.. Agree to disagree!

I think the supporters' award was in recognition of the role he has played, or should I say roles. He is the "go to" man to cover shortfalls in squad depth and for that matter talent. It's unusual to have a player like him, essentially a loose forward, playing full back/centre/wing and to a lesser degree second row. He makes mistakes in all positions but has performed to the best of his ability in all. I am surprised to a degree that the supporters have been as discerning as they have with this award, but they are right to recognise his value to the squad and the way he conducts himself on the field (and off it). Over the season I feel he has deserved this recognition. Not good at times last night but then I would argue that Manu and Yeaman were just as bad and others were worse.

Well, quite. It amazes me how Whiting can go through the season as our most consistent player, win the supporters' player of the year whilst playing out of position, then be vilified for one bad game. We're fortunate to have a player that can do what he can do.

I will give an honest assessment of last night,thought moa had a good game,westerman looked the only real threat in attack,danny washbrook,dowes,radford,thank goodness he didn't come to us have gone at the game,i thought horne had a reasonable game,manu decent in bits,but finally if richard whiting won one of your player of the year awards,it speaks volumes for how average you are. Whiting very alert,but cant run,cant tackle,says it all.!

He doesn't do the graft in defence our forwards do

True he is not the quickest on the field , but ask the Cas centre (forgot his name ) who he smashed 3 times last week .Isa thats it

Westerman and Whiting had lapses in defence last night.

I dont know how Whiting's defence against Cas last week can be criticised though, he was outstanding, he made four try saving tackles and had Willie Isa in his pocket. He even got highlighted on boots n all for it.

The worst thing about the first half from a Hull perspective was Ryan Atkins, he's playing well.

Westerman blew two easy chances for you to score by ignoring massive overlaps. Who knows how they could have changed the game in your favour.

We lost the game when we started having to make substitutions.

You could see Wire step up another level as they smelt blood when Dowes and Radford came on.

You're right we are average, but don't kid yourself that your lot are any different.

They took their chances and we never, that was the story of the first half. Game was gone then.