Correct ! It's also compounded by the fact that we seem to big up our not so good players much more than they deserve. They end up with 2 and 3 year contracts without being much good. Think things are changing a bit mind.

Totally agree !! We've spent way too much time and money on players like G Horne, R Horne, Lee, Yeaman, Washbrook, Radford, King and a few more who I'd much rather forget, all because they're "local lads".

We seem to celebrate and "big up" players who are very ordinary while Saints, Wigan and Leeds are promoting proper SL standard young players and getting rid of the rest.

Add that to the really woeful recruitment at times in recent seasons and a coach who wouldn't get anywhere near being in charge of one of the real top four teams and it's easy to see why we are where we are.

Sometimes, your determination to make a point does your argument more harm than good when you go too far and make ridiculous claims.

Yes because they're all fantastic players and Yeaman and Horne were well worthy of their 3/4 year deals weren't they !!

Christ only knows what salaries we've been paying them.

FYI, I don't have any "determination" thanks. HTH. I say it as I see it and all of those players that I quoted have been "bigged up" way too much because they are "local".

Compare them to their counterparts at the big clubs that regularly win silverware and you should see exactly what I'm saying.

To be fair to Carl_Spackler, the three players he highlighted have all been picked for rep footy whilst playing for FC. I agree with the other players you named though.

The 3 I highlighted are/were different class to the others you mentioned, and the club have been spot on to invest in them. Horne may appear to now be past his best, but he has given us several years as one of the best players in SL. Yeaman has been every bit as good as the likes of Senior in his time IMO, and King had as much talent as I've seen in a front rower, he just didn't have the application to match.

I see the point you were trying to make, which is why I said you damaged it by including these 3 as examples of 'ordinary' players. They have been very good players for us and certainly much better than the other company you named them in.

So do I. There just seems to be an exaggeration to make a point at times, as also evidenced in the backrow complaints, that undermines any sense spoken.

That's because in some quarters their talent gets exagerated as does our expectations of them. Hence you end up with a balance of extreme arguments. Horne and Yeaman wouldn't get half the flack if they weren't referred to as superstars and legends all the time and perhaps we'd then be able to get some better quality to mix with them.

What does chugger mean?

He's our new quota half back

Huddersfield are offering G horne an extension aren't they? Hes a cheap squad player
Washbrook deserves another run at loose forward imo, he looked like a good prospect there once



There both cheap players. Its not like their on big money

Just think when recruitment is left this late then we don't get our top targets and decisions could be rushed

Tbf we haven't left it late, Our first targets have turned us down.

True but the club should have looked into the berro quota spot a lot earlier so they could weigh their options earlier

Youre not wrong!

Reminds me of the tardiness displayed giving Raynor the 5 shirt a few weeks before getting rid.

True.

On the flip side maybe they did and it's taken so long for the agreement to come through?

"Yeaman has been every bit as good as the likes of Senior in his time IMO" OMFG !!

What was it you mentioned about ridiculous claims again ?

Quote ="thehullwhitestar""Yeaman has been every bit as good as the likes of Senior in his time IMO" OMFG !! What was it you mentioned about ridiculous claims again ?'" Indeed. I know stats dont tell the whole story but looking at this season alone when Senior is meant to be past it i know which one i'd rather have in my side superleague.co.uk/statistics_pla ... eason=2010

Quote ="thehullwhitestar""Yeaman has been every bit as good as the likes of Senior in his time IMO" OMFG !! What was it you mentioned about ridiculous claims again ?'" Indeed. I know stats dont tell the whole story but looking at this season alone when Senior is meant to be past it i know which one i'd rather have in my side superleague.co.uk/statistics_pla ... eason=2010

There might be a desire to change but we've just handed radford a 2 year deal and I'm guessing dowes will follow suit

Of course King and Horne WERE good, I certainly agree but King had at least one, probably two contract extensions which we not even nearly warranted and as for Horne's last deal, just madness. Good/past it clubman or not.

Radford AND Dowes in our front row again !!! Does is really get any better than that

Quote ="Big Dave T"Indeed. I know stats dont tell the whole story but looking at this season alone when Senior is meant to be past it i know which one i'd rather have in my side superleague.co.uk/statistics_pla ... eason=2010'" I love Keith Senior. Niggly, wily old dog, still got great strength and decent pace. Plus he declared himself fit for the 2005 CC final.

Quote ="Big Dave T"Indeed. I know stats dont tell the whole story but looking at this season alone when Senior is meant to be past it i know which one i'd rather have in my side superleague.co.uk/statistics_pla ... eason=2010'" I love Keith Senior. Niggly, wily old dog, still got great strength and decent pace. Plus he declared himself fit for the 2005 CC final.